EMPLOYMENT APPEAL TRIBUNAL
FLEETBANK HOUSE, 2-6 SALISBURY SQUARE, LONDON EC4Y 8JX
At the Tribunal
Before
HIS HONOUR JUDGE DAVID RICHARDSON
MS G MILLS CBE
CONTRACT BOTTLING LTD APPELLANT
(2) MISS W A McNAUGHTON RESPONDENTS
Transcript of Proceedings
JUDGMENT
APPEARANCES
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SUMMARY
REDUNDANCY – Exclusion
UNFAIR DISMISSAL
Reasons for dismissal including substantial other reason
Polkey deduction
For economic reasons the employer needed to make cuts in administration and accounts staff. It lumped together in one pool employees of more than one kind and applied a generic scoring matrix, expressing a willingness to retrain those who scored well in the matrix. The Employment Tribunal was not satisfied that the employer had proved that the dismissal of the Claimants was for redundancy. Held: applying the two‑stage Murray v Foyle Meats test, the ET should have found that the reason was redundancy. There was a diminution in the employer’s requirements for employees to carry out particular kinds of work; the dismissals were attributable to that diminution; the disparate and unsatisfactory nature of the pool did not affect that conclusion.
The ET had however, made in the alternative compelling findings as to why the dismissal, even if for redundancy, was unfair. Appeal concerning unfair dismissal dismissed.
The ET said that there was “no evidence” on which to make a Polkey deduction. There was evidence – including the established need to make cuts, the reduction in the workforce and some evidence specific to the accounts staff. Remitted to the Tribunal to consider the evidence and give reasons. Software 2000 v Andrews applied.
HIS HONOUR JUDGE DAVID RICHARDSON
Introduction
2. The Tribunal went on to say that even if the reason was redundancy the dismissal was substantively unfair. The Tribunal dealt with an argument that any compensation for redundancy should be reduced on Polkey v A E Dayton Services Ltd [1988] 1 AC 344 grounds. It declined to reduce compensation. CBL appeals, arguing that the Employment Tribunal has not sufficiently dealt with the evidence in its reasons. This is the second issue on appeal.
The background facts
“Martin then went on to discuss the Management & Administration team and believed the cost of running this team to be excessive, he had already gone about improving efficiency as he planned to implement the accounting package Sage but we also agreed that the need for the amount of employees [sic] within this function had reduced due to the changing nature of customers and workload. We agreed that the team should be reduced by six persons and that we should look to include everyone in the process and then redistribute the tasks among the remaining members, offering training where appropriate.”
(1) CBL ignored the redundancy matrix provided for in the employee handbook, which contained objective elements.
(2) CBL instead adopted a redundancy matrix that was entirely subjective in character.
(3) CBL caused the marking to be done by a person who had little to do with the team he was marking and was therefore “wholly inappropriate” for the task and unable to explain the marking.
(4) CBL’s Mr Thornton also had an input into the marking, even though he had no relevant experience of the employees at all.
(5) CBL declined or were unable to give to Miss Cave and Miss McNaughton any explanation of their scores.
(6) CBL did not engage in any meaningful consultation.
(7) Mr Thornton involved in the marking of scores and in the decision to dismiss but still conducted the appeal hearings.
“The work of a particular kind that had been identified as no longer required was that of accounts and administrative functions. Two from three of the Accounts team were dismissed on the grounds of redundancy. Part of the reason for the reduced requirement of that particular kind of work was that I was installing a Sage Accountancy package in March 2011 that would in effect produce more cost effective, quicker and accurate key management and financial information.”
10. Later, he said (paragraph 33):
“I can categorically state that in the event the tribunal do not believe I followed a fair procedure during the course of handling these redundancies, I do not expect that if the correct procedure had been followed that [sic] the outcome would be different. The simple fact of the matter is that the roles and duties performed by Ms Cave and Ms McNaughton are now carried out by an IT software package, Sage Accounts, and the parts that aren’t I or Keith now manage.”
The Tribunal’s reasons
“51. The tribunal having carefully considered s.139 and the factual issues in this case finds that the respondent had a need to make various cuts and that it was top heavy in terms of the number of staff in the business. It accepts the respondent’s contention that the office based staff overall were significantly overmanned. However the process carried out by the respondent was to put into a pool employees from different disciplines within the organisation which we have already identified but ranged from warehousing, quality control, sales and administration embracing the accounts functions of the two claimants. The respondent’s objective was to cut the numbers irrespective of their respective skills and areas of operation. What the respondent did not do was to identify the employees who carried out work of a particular kind nor that that particular kind of work had ceased or diminished or was expected to cease or diminish. This could be termed a scatter gun approach and for this reason the tribunal finds that the facts of this case do not give rise to a finding that either of the claimants who were dismissed should be taken to be dismissed by reason of redundancy. The focus was on reducing the wage bill not identifying specifically the requirements of the business and in which areas, if at all, the work of a particular kind had ceased or diminished.
52. This finding is unequivocally borne out by the evidence of Mr Thornton when he made it clear that it did not matter who went so long as the wage bill was reduced and he gave the example of the quality manager. It is worth repeating what we have already said in these reasons about the quality manager who was necessary for the business. In short had the quality manager (whose work apparently had not diminished) been selected under the matrix used then that responsibility would have had to have been allocated to an alternative employee within the business or indeed someone recruited from outside.”
13. On the Polkey question the Tribunal said (paragraph 57):
“We have considered whether or not there are any factors in this case which would give rise to consideration as to whether or not had there been a fair procedure that the dismissals would have taken placed [sic] in any event or any factors which would support a reduction in the compensation which will be due to the claimants. The tribunal finds that there is no evidence to suggest that had there been a fair and proper process that [sic] there was a percentage chance that either of these claimants would still have been dismissed.”
Statutory provisions
“For the purposes of this Act an employee who is dismissed should be taken to be dismissed by reason of redundancy if the dismissal is wholly or mainly attributable to—
(a) the fact that his employer has ceased or intends to cease—
(i) to carry on the business for the purposes of which the employee was employed by him, or
(ii) to carry on that business in the place where the employee was employed, or
(b) the fact that the requirements of that business—
(i) for employees to carry out work of a particular kind, or
(ii) for employees to carry out work of a particular kind in the place where the employee was employed by the employer,
Have ceased or diminished or are expected to cease or diminish.”
“The determination of the question whether the dismissal is fair or unfair, having regard to the reasons shown by the employer—
(a) depends on whether in the circumstances, including the size and administrative resources of the employer’s undertaking, the employer acted reasonably or unreasonably in treating it as a sufficient reason for dismissing the employee, and
(b) shall be determined in accordance with equity and the substantial merits of the case.”
Reason for dismissal
17. Ms Philippa Jackson, who appears on behalf of CBL, makes in essence three submissions. Firstly, she submits that the Employment Tribunal erred in law by failing to apply the two‑stage test derived from section 139 and set out in Murray v Foyle Meats Ltd [1999] IRLR 562. She submits that the Tribunal has been deflected from a consideration of this test by looking at the pool that CBL selected. If the Employment Tribunal had applied the two‑stage test, it would have found that the Claimants were redundant. Secondly, in the alternative, she submits that the Employment Tribunal erred in law by failing to ask whether there was “some other substantial reason for dismissal”, a question that it had identified for itself in setting out the issues for its consideration. Thirdly, she submits that the Employment Tribunal’s failure to find the reason for dismissal infects the balance of its reasoning on the question of fairness. This submission she made more faintly, recognising the strength of the Employment Tribunal’s findings on the question of fairness.
“The first is whether one or other of the various states of economic affairs exists. In this case, the relevant one is whether the requirements of the business for employees to carry out work of a particular kind have diminished. The second is whether the dismissal is attributable, wholly or mainly, to that state of affairs. This is a question of causation.”
Polkey
25. Ms Jackson criticises the Employment Tribunal’s conclusion that there was “no evidence” that either Miss Cave or Miss McNaughton would have been dismissed if a fair procedure had been followed. She submits that there was evidence that the Employment Tribunal was required to consider and evaluate. She relies on the undoubted fact that there was a need to reduce manpower in a relatively small department of the workforce, that actual redundancies were made and that there was an established need to make redundancies in the accounting function because of the introduction of a computer package. She refers to and relies on the principles in Software 2000 Ltd v Andrews [2007] IRLR 568 and in particular on its application in Eversheds Legal Services Ltd v De Belin [2011] IRLR 448. She accepts that her challenge is essentially to the sufficiency of the Employment Tribunal’s reasoning on this point.
“(1) In assessing compensation the task of the tribunal is to assess the loss flowing from the dismissal, using its common sense, experience and sense of justice. In the normal case that requires it to assess for how long the employee would have been employed but for the dismissal.
(2) If the employer seeks to contend that the employee would or might have ceased to be employed in any event had fair procedures been followed, or alternatively would not have continued in employment indefinitely, it is for him to adduce any relevant evidence on which he wishes to rely. However, the tribunal must have regard to all the evidence when making that assessment, including any evidence from the employee himself. (He might, for example, have given evidence that he had intended to retire in the near future.)
(3) However, there will be circumstances where the nature of the evidence which the employer wishes to adduce, or on which he seeks to rely, is so unreliable that the tribunal may take the view that the whole exercise of seeking to reconstruct what might have been is so riddled with uncertainty that no sensible prediction based on that evidence can properly be made.
(4) Whether that is the position is a matter of impression and judgment for the tribunal. But in reaching that decision the tribunal must direct itself properly. It must recognise that it should have regard to any material and reliable evidence which might assist it in fixing just compensation, even if there are limits to the extent to which it can confidently predict what might have been; and it must appreciate that a degree of uncertainty is an inevitable feature of the exercise. The mere fact that an element of speculation is involved is not a reason for refusing to have regard to the evidence.”
“We do not understand on what basis that evidence can be said to be ‘insufficient’, in the sense of not requiring the Tribunal to consider it at all. It might be unconvincing, or flawed; but if so it was the duty of the Tribunal, as part of its obligation to give reasons, to engage with the evidence and explain why it did not accept it, rather than dismissing it in limine.”
Disposal
30. It follows that on this question there must be a remission to the Tribunal. We have carefully considered the principles in Sinclair Roche & Temperley v Heard [2004] IRLR 763. In our judgment, applying those principles, the just and convenient course is to remit the matter to the same Tribunal. As presently advised, we do not see the need for any fresh evidence to be heard. The Tribunal will have its notes from the last hearing and copies of witness statements. The Tribunal should listen to submissions that concentrate on the Polkey issue in a way that no doubt they would not have done at the previous hearing. The Tribunal should consider afresh whether there are grounds for making a Polkey reduction. If it considers that there are no grounds for making a Polkey reduction, it should explain carefully in its reasons why this is. If it considers that some Polkey reduction should be made, and how much, it should also give reasons for those conclusions.