At the Tribunal | |
Before
THE HONOURABLE LORD JOHNSTON
MISS J A GASKELL
MISS A MARTIN
APPELLANT | |
RESPONDENT |
Transcript of Proceedings
JUDGMENT
For the Appellant | Mr Stephen Dunn In Person 54 Den Walk METHIL KY8 3LH |
For the Respondents | Mr D B Cunningham, Solicitor Of- Messrs Hewitts Solicitors 9 Church Street SHILDON DL4 1DS |
LORD JOHNSTON:
The first question for the tribunal was - what was the true reason for the dismissal? This question was unusually complicated in this case. Mr Creighton accepted that he had already determined to dismiss the applicant for capability reasons, and had intended to dismiss him with notice. His evidence was that the actions of the applicant were such that he felt he was justified in dismissing the applicant summarily, after the confrontation. If we believe Mr Creighton (as we did , on this issue), there are two ways of looking at these events. Either the original dismissal intention was accelerated, or brought forward, by the events, and the altercation was merely a factor in the timing, or the actual dismissal was capable of being viewed entirely on its own, with the earlier history being incidental to the dismissal itself.
The tribunal considered this matter in some detail and at some length. The applicant was denying that there was any such dismissal as spoken to by Mr Creighton and that he was lying. There was no common ground between these two stories; we could only believe one or the other. We came to the conclusion that there had to be an incident along the lines as spoken to by Mr Creighton. There is no doubt that something happened; otherwise the applicant would merely have been dismissed with notice on the basis of capability. We came to the conclusion that there was such an altercation but that it was much more significant to Mr Creighton than it was to the applicant. As we have indicated, the applicant was under emotional stress at this time and he probably gave no thought to his manner or demeanour in dealing with Mr Creighton. On the other hand, Mr Creighton was aware of the problems been caused by the applicant (as he saw it) and for the applicant to treat him, his employer, in such an offhand and dismissive way was unacceptable. Mr Creighton felt he was entitled to require the applicant to indicate whether he had been; when he got no response, and the applicant maintained his unco-operative and uncommunicative manner, Mr Creighton became angry and summarily dismissed the applicant.
Summary dismissal is different in nature to dismissal with notice. In terms of the Employment Rights Act, it is often unfair because it is precipitate. In this case, it probably was precipitate, and if the applicant did have qualifying service, a tribunal might very well have found that the dismissal was unfair. However, when the applicant only has 10 days service, the fairness or reasonableness of the dismissal is not an issue for us. The dismissal can only be unfair if it falls into one of the prohibited categories.
At the close of the evidence in this case, the chairman took the applicant through the terms of section 100 of the Employment Rights Act 1996. The applicant agreed that section 100(1)(c) fitted his circumstances exactly. The section reads:
An employee who is dismissed shall be regarded for the purposes of this part as unfairly dismissed if the reason (or, if more than one, the principal reason) for the dismissal is that –(c) being an employee at a place where - (i) there was no representative or safety committee, or (ii) there was such a representative or safety committee but it was not reasonably practical for the employee to raise the matter by those means, he brought to his employers attention, by reasonable means, circumstances connected with his work which he reasonably believed were harmful or potentially harmful to health or safety.
We heard of the existence of a safety committee, but we were not convinced that this was truly a representative committee, and there was no evidence as to how the applicant was supposed to access the committee, or through whom. The committee met monthly, and we were not told when the next relevant meeting would be. In the time frame, we considered that it was not reasonably practicable for the applicant to raise the matter through those means. Whatever the status of the committee, it would have required at least the co-operation of Mr Creighton, which was unlikely to have been forthcoming, on the evidence.
The applicant had brought the deficiencies as he saw them to the employer's attention, through Mr Browning and Mr Creighton. He believed that the circumstances were harmful. Was that belief reasonable?
The photographs disclosed a state of affairs as at one moment in time; that was the date of the dismissal. They did disclose a number of significant deficiencies in the scaffolding arrangements. Mr Graham agreed that at least some of these deficiencies would require to be addressed. We also took account of the fact that the applicant did have many years experience as a scaffolder; the evidence was that Mr Creighton's experience was more general in nature. It is not the case that there was no foundation for the applicant's beliefs the question for us was- was this belief that the circumstances were "harmful or potentially harmful to health and safety" reasonable?
We came to the view that it was. There may have been room for differing opinions, and the state of mind of the applicant at that time may also have been a contributing factor. However, there were problems to be addressed. These problems had been raised by the applicant with Mr Browning, Mr Creighton, and other members of the workforce. Rather than addressing the issues by talking it through with the applicant, or taking the matters to the safety committee, Mr Creighton's approach was going to be to dismiss the applicant with a week's notice.
Had that been the eventual outcome, we would have concluded, on the evidence, that the dismissal was unfair in terms of section 100.
We now return to the main issue. What was the principal reason for the dismissal? We concluded that the applicant's behaviour was the primary reason. Even if health and safety issues had not arisen, dismissal would have been a likely outcome of the altercation. It is stretching things too far for us to speculate that Mr Creighton had realised that his proposed dismissal would be likely to cause him problems, and that the actual dismissal was a pure invention to get him off the hook. If Mr Creighton had realised that there were health and safety implications in the dismissal, it would still have been open to him not to carry it out. We therefore came to the conclusion that the dismissal, bad tempered and precipitate as it may have been, arose from the circumstances of the altercation, with the previous history forming a only a small part of the decision.
We have unanimously come to the view that Section 100 of the Employment Rights Act 1996 does not apply to the dismissal, and accordingly, since the applicant does not have qualifying service, the tribunal does not have jurisdiction to entertain this claim. The application is accordingly dismissed. The circumstances disclosed by the evidence did concern us, and we hope that some lessons will have been learned."
"From the outset of the hearing in this case, the chairman had some difficulty with the applicant. The applicant had come thoroughly prepared to demonstrate that the respondents were operating in an unsafe manner at the place where he had been employed as a scaffolder. The applicant was clearly seeking a public platform for his views.
The tribunal took the view early on that this was not the main issue for determination by us and that, except as background material, detailed technical evidence of the nature of these unsafe practices was not necessary for our deliberations. If the applicant had been allowed to proceed with this material, the case would not have been concluded within the timescale set aside for the purpose.
The applicant was either unwilling or unable to accept this, and throughout the hearing he attempted to return to his prepared theme. He became frustrated when not permitted to do so. In the event, I believe that in our decision, the tribunal indicated that we shared many of the applicant's concerns in regard to the scaffolding.
At the stage of submissions, it immediately became clear that the applicant was once again going to rehearse in detail the respondent's health and safety failings. The primary question for us on the other hand related to the reason for the dismissal. Bearing in mind the overriding objective (Rule 10) the chairman cut short this material, and summarised the legal issues which we had to consider, from the respondents point of view. Having explained the position to him, the applicant seemed to accept the matter at that point, and the proceedings concluded.
I have nothing further to add."