At the Tribunal | |
On 14 August 2002 | |
Before
HIS HONOUR JUDGE J R REID QC
MR I EZEKIEL
MR P M SMITH
APPELLANT | |
RESPONDENT |
Transcript of Proceedings
JUDGMENT
Revised
For the Appellant | MR DAVID BARR (Of Counsel) Instructed by: Ministry of Agriculture Fisheries & Food Legal Division B2 Room 27 55 Whitehall London SW1A 2EY |
For the Respondent | THE RESPONDENT In Person |
JUDGE J R REID QC
"87. Nevertheless, we feel that having considered the guidance in Vento, we are entitled to construct a neighbourhood using the incidents of Mr Jones, Mr Green and Mr Bignall. Clearly, the shortcomings of male employees were treated in a light-hearted manner, not taken seriously, and, in Mr Jones' case, had no repercussions on his promotion. However, this is to be contrasted with the treatment of a female employee, Mrs Norrie, where she lost her temporary promotion, albeit at a time when there was a reorganisation, and she certainly was not promoted, as was Mr Jones.
88. We have looked at all these matters in the round and we have considered them together, as has been suggested in Qureshi's case. We note that looking at the treatment of the male and female employees, there appears to be a different approach to the men on the one hand and the women on the other hand. Generally speaking, the women appeared to be treated more harshly than the men.
89. We have considered the explanation put forward by the Respondent, i.e. that this was a different type of situation, namely capability, but we have already given reasons earlier in this decision why we feel that there were matters of conduct involved in the criticism of the Applicant and the situation was not wholly dissimilar to that of the men. However, even if the allegations were dissimilar, in following the guidance in Vento's case, we feel that we would be entitled to, in their words, 'construct a neighbourhood' using the incidents of the treatment of the male employees."
"We would readily accept that the treatment of an actual male comparator whose position was wholly akin to Mrs Vento's in relation to the Mr Value incident was not in evidence. It followed that the tribunal had to construct a picture of how a hypothetical male comparator would have been treated in comparable surrounding circumstances. One permissible way of judging a question such as that is to see how unidentical but not wholly dissimilar cases had been treated in relation to other individual cases. That is one approach. Another permissible approach is to ask witnesses how the hypothetical case that requires to be considered would have been dealt with, although great care has to be exercised in assessing the answers to questions such as that, because the witness will be aware that it will be next to impossible to disprove any answer to a hypothetical question and also witnesses will know, by the time of the tribunal hearing, what sort of answer is convenient or helpful to the side that they might wish to support."
Later on at paragraph 15 the learned judge said:
"The notice of appeal refers to the four actual comparators as to whose cases evidence was given. It proceeded to say that 'None was a true comparator and the tribunal accordingly erred in law in relying on them'. But the tribunal did not treat any of the four cases, as we see it, as being a relevant actual comparator. That is why the tribunal turned, as it had to, to a hypothetical male officer in the same circumstances. The tribunal used the four actual cases as if building blocks in the construction of the neighbourhood in which the hypothetical male officer was to be found. For the tribunal to have relied on the four actual comparator cases in that way was not only not an error of law, it was, as it seems to us, the only proper way for it to proceed on the evidence put before it."