At the Tribunal | |
Before
HIS HONOUR JUDGE H WILSON
LORD GLADWIN OF CLEE CBE JP
MR B M WARMAN
APPELLANT | |
RESPONDENT |
Transcript of Proceedings
FULL HEARING
REVISED JUDGMENT
For the Appellant | THE APPELLANT IN PERSON. |
For the Respondent | MR N A CAMERON (of Counsel) Instructed by: Messrs Stamp Jackson and Proctor 5 Parliament Street Hull HU1 2AZ |
JUDGE WILSON:
4. "We are concerned that there does not appear to be any careful examination of the range of options open to the reasonable employer, confronted by a finding of conduct, as distinct from gross misconduct. The point there is not addressed at all by the Tribunal, and it is plainly one that this Tribunal will need some assistance with."
6. "This phase of the Respondents disciplinary procedure was conducted in unsatisfactory fashion. It is clear to the Tribunal that the Respondent did not undertake a detailed fact finding arrangement and did not provide copies of statements or the gist of the evidence that had been obtained to the applicant. It is also clear from a candid answer given by Mr Salmon that the difference between conduct and capability was not something that he was aware of, and that lack of clarity dogged the disciplinary hearing at that time and indeed, carried on into Mr Salmon's letter of dismissal of the applicant which is dated 9 September 1998."
(r) "As stated, it is clear from the evidence in the Tribunal and the way in which the respondent has defended the case that the issue of competence was not pursued and there is no substance in any allegation that the applicant was in any way incompetent in the performance of his duties. It is also clear from Mr Salmon's evidence that he put forward an argument that in the wording of the paragraph referring to the applicant's failure to take reasonable and responsible actions to overcome the problem the following day, Mr Salmon expressly excluded any reference to failure to comply with a reasonable instruction, being the instruction to attend work notwithstanding the applicant's physiotherapy appointment. In fact, he claimed that he meant by that to highlight that the applicant should have attended either before or after that appointment to rectify the problems with the respondent was experiencing. That appears to the Tribunal to be significantly stretching the wording put forward in the letter of 9 September, which is perfectly clear."
14. "The Tribunal had a number of significant concerns about the way in which the dismissal was undertaken in this case in the context of the applicant's misconduct, for that was what it was and an allegation was made that he failed to attend diligently when he became aware of the defect in the system on the evening of Wednesday 26th. The Tribunal considered that the investigation into this undertaken by Mr Baldwin did not satisfy the normal requirements that it should be such investigation as a reasonable employer would undertake. In particular, Mr Baldwin appears to have interviewed a limited number of people and have made relatively poor quality notes of those discussions. He did not supply those notes to Mr Salmon in advance of the Disciplinary Hearing. While there are no hard and fast rules in respect of these investigations, in general terms the Tribunal was concerned that the whole method of investigation fell far short of what the Tribunal would normally expect."
7(s). There is an inherent confusion regarding this aspect, as it appears that the Applicant was under the impression that his legal representative could not take any active part in the proceedings, whereas Mr Magistro stated that he did not expressly restrict the adviser's function, but that no request was made for him to play an active part when the hearing took place."
In any event it is clear that the Applicant had the benefit of legal representation in the appeal, which he could consult when the occasion demanded during the appeal. It has not been suggested to us that the Appellant's representative on that occasion was vocal in any way at all. The Tribunal went on to consider that matter in its decision at page 10 in paragraphs 14, 15 and 16. They say:
14. "The Applicant's challenge to the appeal procedure is in substance limited to two specific aspects. One relates to the failure to provide Mr Cope as a witness and one relates to the contact, which Mr Magistro has with other employees after the appeal took place, but before he issued his decision. That leads into the general criticism that the applicant's attitude was a major factor taken into account at the appeal. There was also criticism of Mr Magistro's position in dealing with the appeal as he had been directly involved in a discussion with Mr Salmon at the time Mr Salmon was considering dismissal and had in effect approved Mr Salmon's dismissal of the applicant before it took place. Therefore, in the applicant's representative's submission, it would be inappropriate for Mr Tony Magistro to deal with the Appeal Hearing."
The Tribunal went on in paragraph 16:
16. "The Tribunal decided that although there were clear deficiencies in the way in which the initial dismissal decision was taken, the respondent's appeal procedure operated as a complete re-hearing of the case."
In passing it is difficult to see how that could be so, when the Appellant's representative did not say anything. The Tribunal also went on in paragraph 15 to say that: -
15. "The Tribunal decided in this case that the defects in connection with the appeal procedure were not fatal to the fairness of the overall action taken by the respondent."
13. "The law in simple terms requires a dismissing employer to demonstrate that a dismissal is for a potentially fair reason, the relevant reason in this case being conduct, and it is for the Tribunal to decide whether the dismissal satisfies the overall test of fairness prescribed in the Act."
That is all right so far as it goes and is an accurate representation of what is set out in s.98 (1) (a) and (2) (b) of the Employment Rights Act 1996. It makes no reference however, to the final component of the law to be applied which is contained in s.98 (4) (b), namely that the matter should be determined in accordance with equity and the substantial merits of the case. As the Tribunal stated elsewhere in its decision in the context of unfair dismissal the Tribunal looked carefully: -
13. "At the procedure adopted by the respondent, as this is a significant component of the overall fairness test."