At the Tribunal | |
Before
THE HONOURABLE MR JUSTICE CHARLES
MR L D COWAN
MR D J JENKINS MBE
APPELLANT | |
RESPONDENT |
Transcript of Proceedings
JUDGMENT
PRELIMINARY HEARING
For the Appellants | MR D BROWN (of Counsel) Appearing under the Employment Law Appeal Advice Scheme |
MR JUSTICE CHARLES: This appeal comes before us today on a preliminary hearing pursuant to our practice direction. The parties are a Mr Kumar and Mr Hussain who are the Appellants and Grattan Plc who are the Respondents before us and were the Respondents below.
"(2) The grounds of my appeal are that the Tribunal wrongly directed itself in making its decision. The decision reached was perverse, no reasonable Tribunal could, on the facts of the case, have reached such a decision. The Tribunal has a legal duty to take account of all relevant and no irrelevant facts. The Tribunal failed on such accounts, as stated below."
"(3) In paragraph 7 of the decision it is stated that Jaspal had been subject to a pattern of harassment for about 3 years. We the Appellants had not been employed by the Respondents for that amount of time, we had only been there for about 1˝ to 2 years.
(4) In paragraph 9 of the decision it is said that Mr Storrie put all the allegations to both Applicants. It is also said in the same paragraph that 'he readily concedes that he did not highlight to either Applicant his concerns about intimidation that factor was very much in his mind when he took the decision that both Applicants would be dismissed'. The Tribunal failed to see that it's not just or equitable to take someone through disciplinary procedures and/or to dismiss them without being told at any point why. We the Applicants at no point were informed and/or questioned regarding the issue of intimidation, but nevertheless the Respondents claim to have dismissed us for it. The Tribunal misdirected itself on such account. No person, under the law of this land, should be tried and/or convicted without being told why.
(5) The Tribunal also failed to see that one of the comparator's case was much more serious. That comparator intimidated one of his staff by coming in on the weekends, when he was not working but the girl (member of staff) that he sexually harassed was at work at that time. The same comparator sent third parties to ask that member of staff (girl) why she had made the complaint against him. The complaints against this comparator, of sexual harassment, were of a much more serious nature due to the fact that there was physical contact, he had pulled her towards himself and kissed her against her will.
(6) In the light of all mentioned above the Tribunal reached a perverse decision."
"There is only one other matter to which I would refer. In these cases Parliament has expressly left the determination of all questions of fact to the industrial tribunals themselves. An appeal to the appeal tribunal lies only on a point of law: and from that tribunal to this court only on a point of law. It is not right that points of fact should be dressed up as points of law so as to encourage appeals. It is not right to go through the reasoning of these tribunals with a toothcomb to see if some error can be found here or there – to see if one can find some little cryptic sentence. I would only repeat what Lord Russell of Killowen said in Retarded Children's Aid Society Ltd v Day [1978] ICR 437, 444:
'I think care must be taken to avoid concluding that an experienced industrial tribunal by not expressly mentioning some point or breach has overlooked it, and care must also be taken to avoid, in a case where the Employment Appeal Tribunal members would on the basis of the merits and the oral evidence have taken a different view from that of the industrial tribunal, searching around with a fine toothcomb for some point of law.'
It does seem to me that in this particular case, if one does not use a toothcomb, if one looks at the findings of this tribunal broadly in accordance with what they have said, it is found that there was a substantial reason for this dismissal. Not only was there a substantial reason, but in the circumstances of the case the employers acted reasonably in treating it as a substantial reason having regard to equity and the substantial merits of the case. Therefore the dismissal was fair."
"It has on a number of occasions been made plain that the decision of an industrial tribunal is not required to be an elaborate formalistic product of refined legal draftsmanship, but it must contain an outline of the story which has given rise to the complaint and a summary of the tribunal's basic factual conclusions and a statement of the reasons which have led them to reach the conclusion which they do on those basic facts. The parties are entitled to be told why they have won or lost. There should be sufficient account of the facts and of the reasoning to enable the Employment Appeal Tribunal or, on further appeal, this court to see whether any question of law arises. …."
"We will also direct that in that period and by Wednesday week (9th February 2000) the appellants do put in an affidavit or perhaps, as it now should be described, a sworn statement, setting out the evidence that they say was before the Employment Tribunal to the effect that one of the comparators was accused of intimidation or that a finding of intimidation had been made by the employer (or others) in respect of one of the comparators. If the position is that no such evidence was before the Employment Tribunal, the sworn statement should also explain why this was not the case."
As a result of that both Appellants have put in affidavits, the relevant paragraphs of which are paragraphs 4 and 5, where they say:
"I was dismissed on the allegations of sexually harassing and intimidating another member of staff. My comparator, comparator B, was also accused of offences of the same nature whereas he was not dismissed but issued with a warning. There is now produced and shown to me and exhibited herewith …. a true copy of the warning report form of comparator B.
This information was available to the respondents but it was ignored by them. This information was presented to the Leeds Employment Tribunal at the time of the hearing, but it was overlooked."
"Following complaints from members of staff we have reasonable belief you have been unintentionally sexually harassing and intimidating these members of staff. …" [and then it goes on]
"16. Comparator A and comparator B were found to be guilty of sexual harassment. There was no evidence whatsoever, nor was it suggested that there was such evidence that existed that linked those comparators to the very serious intimidation carried out by the Applicants. It is the intimidation which is the important distinguishing feature between the Applicants and the cited comparators and it is that distinguishing feature which justified the Respondent dismissing the Applicants and disciplining and retaining the services of the comparators. The explanation given by the Respondent relating to Mr Kumar's two additional complaints …" [and I need not carry on for the remainder of the paragraph]