At the Tribunal | |
Before
THE HONOURABLE MR JUSTICE LINDSAY
MR J R CROSBY
MR P M SMITH
APPELLANT | |
(3) J H D ASSOCIATES |
RESPONDENT |
Transcript of Proceedings
JUDGMENT
PRELIMINARY HEARING
For the Appellant | No appearance or representation by or on behalf of the Appellant |
MR JUSTICE LINDSAY (PRESIDENT)
"I am unable to attend todays appeal hearing due to illness in my family.
I have already submitted my skeleton arguments, which were to form the basis of my appeal."
We have that letter and we take it from that letter that Wills Legacy & Law Ltd are content that we proceed with the matter in the absence of any representation, but paying attention to the Skeleton.
"I was told on 3 December 1999, along with a number of others, that the company J H D Associates no longer existed and from date the company was to be known as Wills Legacy & Law. We were then told that the new company could not afford to keep all staff and we were duly finished. I received wages for the hours worked but no lieu of notice. I was actually given no notice"
So, that was Mrs Macbeath's claim.
"1 I was employed from 1 September 1999 to the 3 December 1999 as a Will Writer formerly by J H D Associates and until my dismissal on 3 December 1999 by Wills, Legacy and Law who took over the business .
2 I was made redundant on 3 December 1999 and received two weeks pay owing. I was not entitled to a redundancy payment, since I did not have the qualifying service."
"Mrs Macbeath is entitled to £187.50 gross, being one weeks pay in lieu of notice.
Mrs Williams is entitled to:
i) £224.50 gross, being one week's pay in lieu of notice.
ii) Increase in hourly rate of £11.25.
iii) £165 gross holiday pay.
iv) £30 unpaid bonus.
All such payments, to both applicants, are payable by Willis Legacy & Law, the Second respondents."
"3 There was no transfer of undertaking; Wills Legacy & Law was started by some of those made redundant when JHD ceased.
4 Mrs Macbeath and Mrs Williams have never been employed by Wills Legacy & Law"
"Details given by the applicant regarding wages are not correct.
We intend to resist the application on the following grounds:
Mrs MacBeath has never worked for Wills Legacy & Law Partnership or Wills Legacy & Law Limited.
The Partnership was only formed on the 6th December 1999. All bank and PAYE records support this fact."
On 12 October Mr Clough said that he only found out about the cases and their hearing too late to attend at the hearings.
"(1) Subject to the provision of these Regulations, these Regulations apply to a transfer from one person to another of an undertaking situated immediately before the transfer in the United Kingdom, or of part of one, which is so situated.
(2) Subject as aforesaid, these Regulations so apply whether the transfer is effected by sale or by some other disposition or by operation of law."
Regulation 5.1 says:
"5 (1) [Except where objection is made under paragraph (4A) below], a relevant transfer shall not operate so as to terminate the contract of employment of any person employed by the transferor in the undertaking or part transferred but any such contract which would otherwise have been terminated by the transfer shall have effect after the transfer as if originally made between the person so employed and the transferee.
(2) Without prejudice to paragraph (1) above, [but subject to paragraph (4A) below,] on the completion of a relevant transfer -
(a) all the transferor's rights, powers, duties and liabilities under or in connection with any such contract shall be transferred by virtue of this Regulation to the transferee; and
(b) anything done before the transfer is completed by or in relation to the transferor in respect of that contract or a person employed in that undertaking or part shall be deemed to have been done by or in relation to the transferee."
And at paragraph 8(1):
"Where either before or after a relevant transfer, any employee of the transferor or transferee is dismissed, that employee shall be treated for the purposes of Part V of the 1978 Act and Articles 20 to 41 of the 1976 Order (unfair dismissal) as unfairly dismissed if the transfer or a reason connected with it is the reason or principal reason for his dismissal."
And then in paragraph 8(2) there is a special case of:
" economic, technical or organisational reasons"
"However, in addition to the fact that there was a director who was a director of both of the companies the new company took over all the equipment of the old company. They had the same field consultants, there was a transfer of the office and office equipment from one to the other, the transfer of the database from one to the other and Mrs Macbeath's employment continued exactly in the same way until she left. Document 3 of the bundle is a reference for Mrs Macbeath, on Wills Legacy & Law paper stating that she had worked with them since May 1999.
7. I find on that evidence that there was a transfer of the business from JHD Associates to Wills Legacy & Law and the effect of regulation 5 of the Transfer of Undertakings Regulations is that the transferee company Wills Legacy & Law take over all the liabilities of the transferor company at the time of the transfer. One of those liabilities is an obligation to pay, an employee proper notice. JHD Associates did not do that in the case of Mrs Macbeath and I find that she is entitled to a payment in lieu of notice which by virtue of the transfer become the responsibility of the transferee, Wills Legacy & Law. This is so whether in fact transfer was effected on Friday 3 December 1999 or Monday 6 July because it was an obligation on the transferee by virtue of the transfer."
And at their paragraph 14, they say:
"Again as in the case of Mrs Williams I am satisfied that Wills Legacy & Law took over the assets of the former business of JHD Associates and whether this was on Friday 3 December 1999 or Monday 6 December 1999 the effect of that transfer of the undertaking carrying on the same business as had been carried on before, the effect of that under the Transfer regulations 5 is that the pre-existing liabilities of the transferor pass to the transferee Wills Legacy & Law and, therefore, these payments are due in both the applicant's cases from Wills Legacy & Law, transferee."