[1996] NISSCSC C11/96(IS) (5 August 1996)
Decision No: C11/96(IS)
SOCIAL SECURITY ADMINISTRATION (NORTHERN IRELAND) ACT 1992
SOCIAL SECURITY CONTRIBUTIONS AND BENEFITS
(NORTHERN IRELAND) ACT 1992
SOCIAL SECURITY (CONSEQUENTIAL PROVISIONS)
(NORTHERN IRELAND) ACT 1992
INCOME SUPPORT
Application by the claimant for leave to appeal
and appeal to the Social Security Commissioner
on a question of law from the decision of the
Omagh Social Security Appeal Tribunal
dated 5 February 1996
DECISION OF THE SOCIAL SECURITY COMMISSIONER
"Case adjourned to give opportunity to Department to haveT... P... produce to us inspections all ledger cards
and details of pay made to claimant from 11.4.1994 to 27.9.1994.
If necessary Mr P... should make a statement stating the
amount of cash paid to claimant for each week during that
period and stating how many hours work the cash represented
in each week. The P...'s should be asked to state if
the payments made were a nett figure taking into account claimant
paying off the debt owed by him."
The Tribunal reassembled on 29 November 1995 and as the Department did not produce T... P... nor the records which the Tribunal considered necessary the case was adjourned again and the second adjournment decided -
"Case adjourned to have Independent Tribunal Service requestattendance of Mr P... at next hearing and to bring with
him all records in his possession regarding claimant's earnings
hours of work for the period the subject matter of the appeal.
Should Mr P... not come voluntarily then a written
summons should be issued and served on him."
"We also command you to bring with you and produce at the timeand place aforesaid all records in your possession regarding
Mr A…'s earnings and hours of work for the period from
11 April 1994 to 27 September 1994."
The Tribunal then sat on 14 February 1996 and it would appear from the record that Mr P... did attend. It would also appear that he did not comply with the High Court Subpoena to bring with him the documents and the information he was obliged to do under the Subpoena. The Tribunal nevertheless proceeded to hear the appeal in the absence of the information which it had adjourned twice to obtain and made findings of fact as follows:-
"Facts as in submission.Claimant stated he never worked for more than 16 hours per week
for Mr P... and was only working to pay off a debt due to
Mr P....
Mr P... stated his wife was the person responsible for working
out the hours employees worked. Claimant was treated as a casual
worker. He stated he could not say exactly what hours claimant
worked.
Mr L... stated that the signed statement of Mr P... was
prepared after discussions with Mrs P... and that Mr P...
was aware of this when he signed the statement on 27 September 1994.
Mr P... accepted what Mr L... stated.
Claimant was convicted on 3 charges and ordered to pay compensation
of £782.16.
Claimant did not work 12th holiday fortnight.
Amount sought to be recovered is £2861.13."
It disallowed the appeal and held the sum of £1,843.25 was recoverable from the claimant and gave reasons for its decision as follows:-
"The Tribunal does not accept claimant's evidence that he workedless than 16 hours per week for the period 11 April 1994 to
27 September 1994. It does accept he did not work for the
12th holiday fortnight and hence the sum of £235.72 has been
deducted from the initial sum sought to be recovered. The
Tribunal also considers it reasonable to deduct from the sum
sought to be recovered the amount of £782.16 being the compensation
claimant was ordered to pay at Omagh Petty Sessions and if this
were not done claimant in effect would be paying the Department
twice."
"After carefully considering the record of the proceedings I submitthat the tribunal have erred in law on a number of aspects. In the
first instance they have failed to make proper findings of fact
material to the decision as required by regulation 25(2)(b) of the
Social Security (Adjudication) Regulations (NI) 1987 in that they
failed to make a finding of fact as to whether or not Mr A...
was in remunerative work from 11 April 1994 to 27 September 1994.
Furthermore a record of what was stated by Mr A...,
Mr P..., his employer, and an officer of the Department is not
a finding of fact (75/83(Supp Ben)). In addition on examining the
findings of fact, it is not usually satisfactory for a tribunal
to adopt an adjudication officer's submission or statement of
facts as its own finding of facts, as that is bound to give the
impression to the appellant that the tribunal is rubber stamping
the adjudication officer's submission in its totality (CSSB/851/1985).
Although the tribunal made a finding that Mr A... did not work
during the 12th holiday fortnight in July and accordingly reduced
the amount of benefit overpaid, they erred in not considering
whether or not Mr A... was to be treated as being in
remunerative work in accordance with regulation 5(3) of the Income
Support (General) Regulations (NI) 1987 for that period.
Regulation 5(3) provides that a person shall be treated as engaged
in remunerative work during any period for which he is absent from
work if the absence is either without good cause, or by reason of a
recognised or customary or other holiday. The Tribunal therefore
should have addressed the issue of whether or not Mr A...
was on holiday (R(SB) 7/84). If he was, then the amount of the
overpayment for the period would be recoverable in accordance
with section 69 of the Social Security Administration (Northern
Ireland) Act 1992 (the "Administration Act").
I would further submit that the tribunal also erred in law in
deciding that it was reasonable to deduct £782.16 from the sum
overpaid as this amount was in respect of compensation that
Mr A... was ordered to pay at Omagh Petty Sessions. This
amount is also recoverable under section 69 of the Administration
Act. it is purely a matter for the Department to decide whether
or not to pursue recovery of this amount, and as such does not
fall under the tribunal's jurisdiction (R 12/82 (Supp Ben, para 5).
In Mr A...'s application for leave to appeal his representative
has stated that the tribunal were wrong in law to accept Mr
P...'s statement. He added that Mr P... admitted that he
knew nothing about the Company's wages, policy or payments and
therefore his statement should have no bearing on the outcome of
the case. I would disagree with this contention.
On examining the record of evidence it is clear that the evidence
contained in Mr P...'s signed and oral statements were based
both on his own and his wife's knowledge. Although Mr P...
stated that his wife could give better evidence he also stated
that his "statement went as told by the wife to me".
Although this evidence from the wife may be considered hearsay
evidence I submit that the tribunal were correct in listening
to the evidence as stated by Mr P... in both his written
statement and his oral statement at the hearing (R(IS) 5/93,
para 19)."
(Signed): C C G McNally
COMMISSIONER
5 August 1996