CIS_578_1990
[1992] UKSSCSC CIS_578_1990 (14 January 1992)
R(IS) 9/92
Mr. D. G. Rice CIS/578/1990
14.1.92
Notional capital - deprivation of capital - whether tribunal obliged to explain that account would be taken of notional diminishment
The claimant sold a property on 18 December 1989 and received £19,000 proceeds. He made payments to his three sons totalling £13,756 in respect of alleged debts owed to them. The adjudication officer found that the claimant had, in fact, deprived himself of this sum for the purpose of securing entitlement to income support and that he should therefore be treated as possessing notional capital of £13,765 in accordance with regulation 51(1) of the Income Support (General) Regulations 1987. On appeal the tribunal upheld the decision. The claimant appealed to the Commissioner.
Held that:
- from 1 October 1990 the formula in regulation 51A of the Income Support (General) Regulations applied to the calculation of notional capital and superseded the principles laid down in R(IS) 1/91 (para. 11);
- bearing in mind that the claimant had declared that he had £4,000 actual capital, and the amount of notional capital was £13,756, the interval between the date of deprivation and the date of claim was so short that it was clear that the diminishing notional capital rule would not have reduced the claimant's capital below the statutory limit. It was therefore unnecessary for the tribunal to go into this matter (para. 8);
- it was equally clear that the claimant's resources could not have fallen below the statutory limit by the date of the tribunal hearing; although it might have been helpful if it had done so, there was no obligation on the tribunal to point out that a time would come when the claimant's resources fell below the crucial figure. The onus was on the claimant, as and when he considered his resources fell below the statutory limit, to reapply for income support (para. 10).
DECISION OF THE SOCIAL SECURITY COMMISSIONER
"[The claimant's] case depended upon his establishing that the reduction of £19,000 to £5,244 was bona fide because three of his sons had good claims to a total of £13,756. It was contended that the sons had met their parents and siblings' expenses in travelling to and living in Pakistan, for which they were entitled to repayment. We did not accept this contention, because
(1) there was no evidence of how this £13,756 was made up. We dismissed document A, since we found that UK living expenses even on supplementary benefit/income support levels, were no guide to living expenses in Pakistan;
(2) we dismissed documents B-D as produced for the purposes of the appeal and unverified by corroborated evidence or oral evidence by the makers;
(3) we dismissed document E since it gave no guide to the actual amounts paid by the family members travelling to Pakistan, between 1981 and 1988;
(4) we were not satisfied as to [the claimant's] veracity. He gave several inconsistent versions of the £5,000 paid on the sale of 1 Zinzan Street. [The claimant's] apparently total incomprehension of English was the more surprising in view of the three interviews, notes of which are in the AT2 bundle, dated in 1982, 1983, and 1986, in which there is no reference to an interpreter. He told us he had no recollection of the 1986 interview. He did not suggest that the interview was conducted wrongly in the absence of an interpreter. We made some allowance for possible confusion arising through inexpert translation, but on balance we were unable to believe [the claimant].
We inferred, therefore, that he instructed his solicitors to reduce the amount payable to him on the sale of 2 Cholmeley Place from £19,000 to £5,244 so as, deliberately, to reduce his apparent capital resources below the capital limit for income support entitlement; he had, within regulation 51 Income Support (General) Regulations deprived himself of capital for the purposes of securing such entitlement".
I see nothing wrong with the tribunal's decision.
"7. The effect of [R(IS) 1/91] on the instant case is that the tribunal were empowered at the material time to consider the depletion of notional capital from the date of deprivation (apparently in December 89) and the date of the decision of 13 February 1990 to arrive at a notional amount of capital deemed to exist on that date. The addition of this amount to the declared actual capital will determine entitlement or otherwise to income support. Although the claimant was in receipt of income support for part of this period capital should not necessarily diminish at this level according to R(IS) 1/91 and other reasonable expenses can be allowed".
"16. Nevertheless we consider that in fact the same result (i.e. the application of a rule analogous to the diminishing capital rule) is arrived at on general principles. This arises simply from the provision of regulation 51(6) that, when calculating the amount of notional capital it must be calculated 'as if it were actual capital which [the claimant] does possess'. If a claimant in fact had actual capital of a sum of money and at the time of a first claim this exceeded the prescribed amount (£6,000 at the relevant time) then he would not be entitled to income support. However, if after reasonable expenditure on living and other sensible expenses (which we do not consider need to be limited to the relevant amount of income support, a point which Mr. Butt conceded at the hearing), the claimant's actual capital became reduced to below the limit of £6,000, then there is no doubt that the claimant would then be entitled to income support. In our judgment regulation 51(6) envisages that precisely the same situation should occur if what the claimant has initially is not actual capital but notional capital. Just as under regulation 51(1) the claimant is treated as still possessing such capital so he is also entitled in our view under regulation 51(6) to be deemed to diminish that capital by reason of expenditure related to his own particular financial and other circumstances (not necessarily the same as the amount of income support that he would receive). When such notional expenditure from his notional capital has reduced the notional sum to below the prescribed limit (then £6,000, now £8,000) then the claimant would be entitled to reclaim income support and this particular bar on entitlement to that benefit would have ceased to exist".
"I further submit that within the terms of paragraph 9 of R(SB) 22/83 the tribunal should have considered diminution of total capital between 13 February 1990 and the date of their decision at 22 June 1990, and given the claimant some indication that a date could be reached when the capital reduced to below the relevant capital limit which was £8,000 from 9 April 1990 R(IS) 1/91".
I also reject that submission.
Date: 14 January 1992 (signed) Mr. D. G. Rice
Commissioner