Civil and Family Justice Centre 2 Redcliff Street Bristol BS1 6GR |
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B e f o r e :
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Knightstone Housing |
Claimant |
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Pugh |
Defendant |
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MENDIP MEDIA GROUP
Rockeagle House, Pynes Hill, Exeter, Devon, EX2 5AZ
Telephone : 01392 213958 Fax : 01392 215643
Email: ttp@mendipmediagroup.com
Mr Tom Roberts appeared on behalf of the Defendant
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DISTRICT JUDGE MELVILLE-SHREEVE
DDJ Melville-Shreeve | So those are the findings I make on the facts. I am going to deal with sentencing here and now. What I have got from you on sentencing |
Ms Morrissey | Yes, sir. |
DDJ Melville-Shreeve | really helpful, thank you so much, is the skeleton argument. Obviously, it was done at a time when you were talking about all of the matters. |
Ms Morrissey | Yes. |
DDJ Melville-Shreeve | But what you say to me is this, that seriousness, it ranges from no harassment, alarm or distress |
Ms Morrissey | Yes. |
DDJ Melville-Shreeve | to serious harassment |
Ms Morrissey | Yes. |
DDJ Melville-Shreeve | alarm, distress. That is really a matter for me, is it not? |
Ms Morrissey | That is, that is right. Yes. |
DDJ Melville-Shreeve | And the sentencing, Page 9, is set out in this way. If it is serious harassment, alarm or distress, start point is 26 weeks. |
Ms Morrissey | Yes. |
DDJ Melville-Shreeve | In less serious cases the start point is six weeks. |
Ms Morrissey | That is correct. |
DDJ Melville-Shreeve | In both cases, that is immediate imprisonment. And it says imprisonment will not usually be appropriate when there is no harassment, alarm or distress. |
Ms Morrissey | Yes, that is right. |
DDJ Melville-Shreeve | All right, I'm not going to trouble you on those matters. As far as the injunction is concerned, would you wish the injunction to be continued |
Ms Morrissey | Yes. |
DDJ Melville-Shreeve | whatever happens to the defendant. |
Ms Morrissey | Definitely. |
DDJ Melville-Shreeve | For another 12 months, would that be sensible? |
Ms Morrissey | Yes please, sir. |
DDJ Melville-Shreeve | Subject to anything that is said on the defence's behalf then, that would be on my mind. |
Ms Morrissey | Thank you, sir. |
DDJ Melville-Shreeve | And finally on the subject of costs, depending on what happens to the defendant, of course, but I am going to hear in a moment about the defendant's means but I think it is highly unlikely that he is going to have very substantial means. |
Ms Morrissey | No, and, of course, he is legally aided today so yes. |
DDJ Melville-Shreeve | Yes, so to make a costs order against him, I mean I can fine him, that is one of the alternatives that is available to me, although, again, that would be dependent on me. So you are not seeking to pursue that thousands of pounds thing, because the Legal Aid Order generally speaking, would stop that. |
Ms Morrissey | Yes, a Legal Aid Order we would not get it anyway. |
DDJ Melville-Shreeve | No, indeed, yes. All right, well then I am going to put the costs to one side. Thanks very much. |
Ms Morrissey | Thank you. |
DDJ Melville-Shreeve | Now, as far as addressing me is concerned, there is really three things I want to deal with. The first is will there be any objection to extending the injunction in its present form for 12 months? |
Mr Roberts | Certainly I could sensibly do that. |
DDJ Melville-Shreeve | Okay. The second matter then, really, is this. I am open to be addressed on whether or not a custodial sentence is appropriate. At the moment, I am minded to think that it is. I do not think he is top of the range, but I do not think he is necessarily at the bottom. And perhaps most helpfully, on the subject of suspending the sentence, I can tell you where I stand at the moment because there is no point in making things more miserable for the defendant than they already are. At the moment, I am very minded to suspend the sentence because it seems to me that I am invited to look at the long-term future for this relationship and that if I was to send him to prison, it would be a crushing blow for him. He would probably lose his premises. If he did not lose his premises, he would be going back filled with resentment and misery and with the potential for even more trouble in the future and with nothing effectively hanging over his head. Whereas if I do suspend it for 12 months, the length of time I will reflect on after I have heard from you, then he would know that his life was effectively in his hands. That is my thinking at the moment. All right. |
Mr Roberts | Sir, yes, in Mr Pugh's favour, I advance this. It is the first breach. I can see that there has been more than one breach alleged. But it is the first time that breach proceedings have been brought. |
DDJ Melville-Shreeve | It is a very long time since December. Is probably his strongest point. Mr Roberts Yes. |
DDJ Melville-Shreeve | I thought, because it is six months, in which there has not been further breach. |
Mr Roberts | Yes. And that the breaches started, the breaches have stopped prior to these proceedings being instigated. So you can properly conclude, in my submission, that he was, notwithstanding the finding of facts that you made, that he has already come around to the position that he was going to obey this order without the additional threat of proceedings. Sir, I have available a letter, unfortunately I have only got it in electronic form. |
DDJ Melville-Shreeve | Tell me what it says. |
Mr Roberts | It is from the Wiltshire Substance Misuse Service. I haven't shown it to my learned friend, yet. It is written by Kathryn Dugdale , who is a recovery worker for that service and she has been Mr Pugh's key worker since March of this year. She sets out that his methadone script has reduced, as he said in evidence, and that it is alcohol which is the consistent and problematic substance for him. He has been engaging with the service since, I think, 2003, and his engagement has improved markedly recently. He has been actively engaged with appointments and proactively worked towards goals, which were set as part of his care plan. He has completed the Introduction to Change group, which gives clients, the phrase used is 'a taster' for being in groups, exploring different treatment goals and decide whether they want to make changes and it gives individuals that space to make that choice and his engagement is described as 'good' throughout, with that programme. He is due to go on the Recovery Skills Group, which will equip him with coping skills, and managing different situations including stress and anxiety which he finds himself in in future. And he is also due to attend a 24 session group of Mindfulness. That will, it is hoped, deal with managing cravings and urges as well as mood changes. So he has got a plan going forward on how he could begin to fit into society better than he has to date. Sir, as I say, these are the first breaches. While I have to concede in light of your findings, sir, that the second tier of sentencing is met, there has been a degree of harassment and I cannot argue, sir, with your finding that it was intended, so I can concede that on the guidelines, the starting point would be a custodial sentence. Sir, and if it has to be a custodial sentence, I would of course submit, sir, that you keep it as low as you can commensurate with your public duty. But I would advance this, that in light of the changes that Mr Pugh has made in his life going forward, that this is the first time the breach proceedings are instigated, and the fact that he will almost certainly lose the tenancy which he currently enjoys, sir, that is an element, not direct punishment, but it is a direct consequence, sir, of your findings today. |
DDJ Melville-Shreeve | Thank you very much for your excellent assistance, I am very, very grateful to you. |
DDJ Melville-Shreeve | I am going to stay in court because I have just got some paperwork to tidy up. |
Mr Roberts | Sir, I am asked by those who instruct me that a detailed assessment of the defendant's publically funded costs which (inaudible). |
DDJ Melville-Shreeve | No order for costs, save a detailed assessment of the defendant's publically funded costs. Is that what you need? |
Ms Morrissey | Yes, thank you. |
DDJ Melville-Shreeve | That's it? Okay, thank you. Thanks very much. Mr Roberts I'm grateful. |
DDJ Melville-Shreeve | The court will do this order so you needn't worry about it. Ms Morrissey Thank you, sir. |
DDJ Melville-Shreeve | And you haven't collected this bundle and you're not getting away without it. |
Ms Morrissey | (Inaudible) get away with that. |
DDJ Melville-Shreeve | Oddly, they have a lot of trouble shredding them and destroying them and so on, thank you. |
(Court adjourned)