CHANCERY DIVISION PATENTS COURT
Strand. London. WC2A 2LL |
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B e f o r e :
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INTERDIGITAL TECHNOLOGY CORPORATION |
Claimant |
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(1) NOKIA CORPORATION (2) NOKIA SIEMENS NETWORKS OY |
Defendants |
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appeared for the Claimant.
MR. JAMES ABRAHAMS (instructed by Messrs. Bird & Bird) appeared for the Defendants.
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MR. JUSTICE FLOYD :
"The Claimant shall carry out a reasonable and proportionate search for all documents falling into the following categories within the possession custody or control of any member of the InterDigital (as defined in the Particulars of Claim):
(a) product roadmaps, business plans, customer target information and agreements relating to the manufacture or supply of the products or proposed products (both hardware or software) referred to in the First and Second Witness Statements of Mark Anthony Lemmo, provided always that documents relating to the technical details of said products or proposals are not required to be disclosed;
(b) documents relating to whether such products or proposed products are claimed to be compliant to the 3GPP Standard;
(c) documents relating to InterDigital's reasons for bringing these proceedings against Nokia Corporation and Nokia Siemens Networks Oy respectively, limited to the 7 reasons identified in the Further Information (including any such documents dating from after these proceedings commenced);
(d) any other documents which the Claimant intends to rely on at trial."
MR. ABRAHAMS: My Lord, a couple of matters. Your Lordship during your judgment I think misspoke. Your Lordship said that InterDigital is a customer of Nokia. You meant to say the other way around.
MR. JUSTICE FLOYD: Yes.
MR. ABRAHAMS: The other order I would ask your Lordship to make, obviously, is to discharge the undertakings already given, which are now too narrow.
MR. JUSTICE FLOYD: Save to the extent that they are not consistent with my judgment.
MR. ABRAHAMS: Yes, OK. At the moment I have signed an undertaking saying I cannot show the documents to Mr. Laakkonen.
MR. JUSTICE FLOYD: Yes.
MR. ABRAHAMS: So discharged to that extent. My Lord, costs.
MR. JUSTICE FLOYD: Yes.
MR. ABRAHAMS: My Lord, I do submit that you should order that InterDigital should pay both sides' costs of this application, for two cumulative reasons. First of all, apart from the relatively minor matter of Simmons & Simmons, your Lordship has effectively given us all the relief that we wanted, so we have very substantially won this application in the face of opposition. Your Lordship will also bear in mind that the application was an application for disclosure because at the time we made the application no disclosure had been given at all.
MR. JUSTICE FLOYD: Do you mean disclosure or inspection?
MR. ABRAHAMS: Technically both. The list itself had not been provided at the time we made the application because, for technical reasons, they could not supply the list without the documents because they came together. I think they were all hyperlinked, because it was all done electronically. The second reason following on from that is that what actually happened in this case is that your Lordship made an order for disclosure on the 11th. That was extended by agreement to the 18th and on the 18th InterDigital unilaterally decided not to give disclosure.
Now, what ought to happen in cases like that is that a party who is disclosing documents it considers to be confidential should well in advance try and agree terms of confidentiality. If it cannot, it should make an early application to the court, preferably with the application getting on before the date for exchange of lists so that it is not in breach, but certainly make a prompt application to the court asking the court to impose a confidentiality regime.
In my submission, it is simply not acceptable for a party to say that it refuses to give disclosure until the other party agrees to whatever regime it is unilaterally imposing, of course, a fortiori , when that regime is then subsequently held by the court to be far, far, far too stringent, but, in any case, it is simply not right. It is something that happens and parties do too often and it ought to be very strongly discouraged. So your Lordship ought to in some way indicate that the procedure adopted by the other side was wrong and not acceptable.
That is all I would say on costs.
MR. JUSTICE FLOYD: You are not asking me to assess any costs?
MR. ABRAHAMS: We have not got a costs schedule.
MR. JUSTICE FLOYD: Then you are not asking me to assess any costs. Mr. Alexander?
MR. ALEXANDER: My Lord, we say that this is a matter of the kind that is very commonly and trivially brought before the court. Although it is right that my learned friend has got something of what he wanted, he has not got everything of what he wanted. It should be costs in the case or rather costs in the preliminary issue in any event. But there is nothing in the point, really, about disclosure not having been given. Disclosure was given. This was an issue that was going to have to be sorted out at one point or another.
As to my learned friend's point that one should always try and do this in advance of giving disclosure, in some cases it might be sensible to do it; in some cases it is actually not sensible to do it in advance. It is perfectly sensible to provide the documents to the other side. Quite often, as one can see from the Helitune case, there is an agreement from the other side's solicitors that they are not going to disclose it further until the need actually arises. There is no reason to suppose that that is something that may well not have been forthcoming here. We say that the course that was adopted here was a perfectly reasonable and appropriate course, and there should be costs in cause.
MR. JUSTICE FLOYD: I am going to say that Nokia should recover 75% of their costs of this application. That reflects the fact that Nokia have got most of what they wanted but they have not got everything.
MR. ALEXANDER: My Lord, there is only one final matter which is that my instructions are to ask my Lord for permission to appeal on this matter. Although it is an interlocutory factor and it might be said that it is a matter which involves weighing various factors, we respectfully submit that in the circumstances in which a party, particularly, should be required to give disclosure to representatives of the other party for confidential business documents, it is a matter that is fit for consideration by the Court of Appeal. We would ask, my Lord, that in order for that, as it were, to take place, that my clients can take instructions as to whether they wish to pursue it, having considered my Lord's judgment overnight. My Lord would stay the operation of this order until 10 o'clock tomorrow morning so that my clients can consider whether they wish to take the matter further. It has not been possible to take instructions. We have tried to do that on this, but not knowing what my Lord was going to say, it was a bit difficult to do that.
MR. JUSTICE FLOYD: The two-part nature of the judgment made that rather difficult. I need not trouble you on permission to appeal, but the stay until 10 o'clock tomorrow morning?
MR. ABRAHAMS: I will oppose it and sit down.
MR. JUSTICE FLOYD: I am not going to grant permission to appeal. This is a case management matter involving the exercise of the court's discretion. I will grant a stay of the operation of that order until 10 o'clock tomorrow morning. Presumably, you want that to carry on if you do make an application for permission to appeal?
MR. ALEXANDER: Yes, indeed. Yes, it probably has to while we make an application for permission to appeal. What I did not want was for it to continue, as it were, without a cut-off time. Perhaps the appropriate course is to just extend the time very slightly so that if we need to make a further application for stays and so forth before my Lord or, indeed, someone else, we can do that tomorrow morning without unbelievable pressure, perhaps up until midday.
MR. ABRAHAMS: Can I suggest that the bit that is stayed is the paragraph that says that the documents will go to Mr. Vary and Ms. Bailey because, as I understand it, I think that is the objection. What I would then suggest is that if they make an application for permission to appeal, that bit be extended by a very short period, say 24 or, at most, 48 hours.
MR. JUSTICE FLOYD: I cannot put pressure on the Court of Appeal. It has got to be that if an application is made, then until that application and any appeal is determined, is it not?
MR. ABRAHAMS: Well, your Lordship then has to find some way to put them under extremely stringent terms to get it on, for example, by saying that as regards the application notice for permission to appeal, your Lordship has complete discretion as to when the appellant's notice can be filed, and say that that has to be filed by close of business tomorrow, and then say that they have to make an immediate application for permission to extend the stay and that they have to make efforts to get an immediate hearing of that ASAP.
MR. JUSTICE FLOYD: It has got to be pursued with the utmost diligence, but I cannot be more specific than that.
MR. ALEXANDER: Yes, all of that is fine, if that is what my learned friend would like. That is absolutely fine, of course.
MR. JUSTICE FLOYD: Yes. I think that ought to be reduced to writing but, in principle, I am prepared to grant a stay to allow for an extremely expeditious application to the Court of Appeal.
MR. ABRAHAMS: That is a stay just of the provision relating to Mr. Vary and Ms. Bailey.
MR. JUSTICE FLOYD: Yes.
MR. ABRAHAMS: And the appellant's notice in by close of business tomorrow.
MR. JUSTICE FLOYD: Or sooner. It should not be a very long document.
MR. ABRAHAMS: No. Finally, my learned friend and I had a chat over the short adjournment about the evidence timetable, and we thought, we both agreed, that it would be sensible to extend the time for evidence-in-chief to 23rd May, and for reply evidence to 6th June. Nobody could work out when reply evidence was due under the current timetable, but everyone agrees that 6th June is where it ought to be.
MR. JUSTICE FLOYD: Is that agreed, Mr. Alexander?
MR. ALEXANDER: Yes, my Lord.
MR. JUSTICE FLOYD: There is one other matter. I have noticed the correspondence which is passing between the parties in relation to scientific advisers, and one of the letters which I saw suggested that the court might wish to raise the question at the forthcoming hearing. It is obviously desirable from the point of view of Mr. Wiffen, who is proposed, that he be "organised", if I can put it in that general way, as soon as possible. The rules seem to provide -- no more than that -- that the costs of such scientific advisers are met out of public funds. That may not be something which is of particular interest to Mr. Wiffen, and I do not want to get to the position in this case where it is uncertain how he is to be remunerated, given the level of the undertaking which the parties and the court are asking him to embark on.
A number of possibilities arise. We could, for example, find out somehow what the level of remuneration that is provided out of public funds in these circumstances is, but in so far as that is less than he is indicating he would charge, then I think the parties have to be responsible for the balance. The other is that you could forget altogether about trying to get Parliament to pay for it, and the parties could accept now that his costs would be part of the costs of the proceedings and would be borne by the losing party. I am not asking you to take any final decisions about this now, but it does seem to be in Mr. Wiffen's interests that this ought to be sorted out sooner rather than later.
MR. ABRAHAMS: He is a professional consultant, and I do know his fees. I do not know the amount of money paid out from Parliament, but let us not even pretend there is any possibility that it would cover his fees. So if it is going to be him, then the parties have to agree that they will pay the difference between that and whatever they can get out of Parliament, which may be zero. On this side, we have certainly always been proceeding on the basis that the parties would share the costs in the first instance and then, obviously, those would be costs in the case, or costs in each of the individual trials to be dealt with by the trial judge with all the other costs.
MR. JUSTICE FLOYD: On the basis that whichever party was ordered to pay the costs would ----
MR. ABRAHAMS: Yes.
MR. JUSTICE FLOYD: Yes. That also, it seems to me, needs to be thought about a bit because Mr. Wiffen may not be terribly happy about waiting until December or possibly even to 2010.
MR. ABRAHAMS: No, sorry, what we had always understood it to be would be that the parties would share his costs in the first instance. They would pay him as he presented his invoices on whatever terms are agreed, and then those costs would be disbursements. Just like Marten Walsh Cherer, they would be paid in advance and then it would be ----
MR. JUSTICE FLOYD: That seems to me to be the sensible course. Mr. Alexander?
MR. ALEXANDER: My Lord, I am told that this is all in hand in terms of discussions concerning this, and doubtless this will be resolved.
MR. JUSTICE FLOYD: Yes. Can you copy my clerk in on this particular aspect of the communication so that I can keep an eye on it?
MR. ABRAHAMS: Your Lordship's indication is most helpful and welcome.
MR. JUSTICE FLOYD: Good. Thank you both very much indeed.
MR. ALEXANDER: We are obliged.