KING'S BENCH DIVISION
MEDIA & COMMUNICATIONS LIST
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B e f o r e :
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(1) Sir James Dyson (2) Dyson Technology Limited (3) Dyson Limited |
Claimants |
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(1) Channel Four Television Corporation (2) Independent Television News Limited |
Defendants |
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for the Claimants
Adam Wolanski KC and Gervase de Wilde (instructed by Simons Muirhead Burton LLP) for the Defendants
Hearing date: 6 October 2022
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Crown Copyright ©
The Honourable Mr Justice Nicklin :
A: The Parties
B: The Broadcast
"Dyson, genius at cleaning carpets, now workers in one of their supplier companies claim that they were abused and mistreated. How did it happen? Can Dyson clean up its own image…
Dyson's slogan is the 'vacuum that doesn't lose suction' but has this iconic British brand lost credibility, following the alleged treatment by its workers by ATA, a Malaysian company that helped make Dyson's high-end vacuum-cleaners and air filters.
Tonight, in an exclusive report, we speak to ex-employees of ATA, who suffered abuse, inhuman work conditions, and in one case, even torture, while they were helping to make Dyson products on wages of £9 per day. Dyson has now severed links with ATA and denies any wrongdoing, but how could work conditions have got so bad, and why wasn't it picked up?"
C: The Claim and its procedural history
"(1) the Claimants were complicit in the systemic abuse and exploitation of workers at ATA, one of their suppliers located in Malaysia;
(2) the Claimants were also complicit in the persecution and torture of a worker who blew the whistle on the working practices at ATA; and
(3) the Claimants claim to act in a responsible and ethical way but when serious abuses of workers were brought to their attention these abuses were not properly investigated but were ignored and tolerated for a prolonged period of time while the Claimants tried to cover them up and shut down public criticism."
"The information requested is not reasonably necessary to enable the Defendants to prepare their own case or to understand that case they have to meet. The Claimants' pleaded case is clear and the Defendants are not entitled [to] any further information. The Claimants do not plead a reference innuendo. The Claimants rely upon the content of the words complained of which it will be contended would be understood by an ordinary reasonable viewer of the Broadcast to refer to the Second and Third Claimants as prominent Dyson companies."
D: Direction of trial of preliminary issues
i) whether the Broadcast, in its natural and ordinary meaning, referred to the Second and Third Claimants;
ii) the natural and ordinary meaning of the Broadcast;
iii) whether the meaning found is defamatory at common law; and
iv) whether the Broadcast was, or included, statements of fact or opinion.
"7A. The Claimants' primary case is that reasonable viewers would understand the Broadcast to refer to each of the Claimants without special knowledge of extrinsic facts.
7B. In relation to the Second and Third Claimants, if and insofar as necessary, in the alternative, the Broadcast was understood by a substantial number of viewers of the Broadcast to refer to them.
Particulars of Reference
7B.1 The Second and Third Claimants are the most prominent UK companies within the Dyson group. They are the only companies within the Dyson group that interact with UK consumers.
7B.2 The Second Claimant employs a number of Dyson's executive team and retains advisors to protect the reputation of Dyson.
7B.3 The Third Claimant is Dyson's trading company and makes sales of Dyson products to businesses and consumers in England & Wales.
7B.4 On the official Dyson website, the Third Claimant is identified as the company that users of the website make purchases from in the United Kingdom and the Second Claimant is identified as the company that, together with the Third Claimant, operates the Dyson website, apps and connected products.
7B.5 The above facts and matters were known to substantial numbers of viewers of the Broadcast."
i) The First Claimant is described as the founder and Chairman of Dyson, defined in the Particulars of Claim as, "the multinational technology enterprise established in 1991".
ii) The Second Claimant is described as the UK-based company within the "Dyson group" that holds Dyson's intellectual property, technology, and brand rights. The Second Claimant is stated to be the company that employs several of Dyson's executive team and retains advisors to protect the reputation of Dyson.
iii) The Third Claimant is described as the group's UK trading company.
E: The Defendants' case
i) As to reference, the Defendants denied that the Broadcast referred to the Second and Third Claimants. They were not named and there was no information in the Broadcast that would lead a reasonable viewer to understand the Broadcast to refer to either of them. They added:
"In the event that viewers turned their mind to the question of which corporate entity was being referred to (which is not admitted), given the repeated references to Dyson's activities in South East Asia and the use of a Singapore-based Michelle Shi as corporate spokesperson, they would understand that entity to be Singapore based entity. Neither the Second nor the Third Claimant is based in Singapore."
ii) If their primary case on reference was not accepted, and the Second and Third Claimants established that the Broadcast did refer to them, then the Defendants contend that the Broadcast contained the following expression of opinion:
"(1) the Second and/or Third Claimants were responsible for the abuse and exploitation of workers at ATA, one of their supplier companies located in Malaysia;
(2) the Second and/or Third Claimants were also responsible for the persecution by ATA of a worker who blew the whistle on working practices at ATA; and
(3) therefore, the Second and/or Third Claimants have not lived up to their advertised standards of ethics and corporate social responsibility."
iii) In the further alternative, if the Broadcast contained a statement of fact, then the meaning of the Broadcast is:
"… that there were reasonable grounds to suspect that:
(1) the Second and/or Third Claimants were responsible for the abuse and exploitation of workers at ATA, one of their supplier companies located in Malaysia;
(2) the Second and/or Third Claimants were also responsible for the persecution by ATA of a worker who blew the whistle on working practices at ATA; and
(3) therefore, the Second and or Third Claimants have not lived up to their advertised standards of ethics and corporate social responsibility."
iv) As to the First Claimant, the Defendants' primary case is that the Broadcast bears no meaning defamatory of him, since it does not attribute any culpable conduct to him personally.
v) In the alternative, the Defendants contend that the Broadcast contains the following statement of opinion about the First Claimant:
"… that the First Claimant publicly promotes the Dyson brand, allowing that brand to benefit from his personal prestige and status, and that he therefore bears some responsibility for the actions of the companies bearing that brand, including [the matters set out in [14(ii]) above]"
vi) The Defendants accept that their meanings (whether as expressions of opinion or allegations of fact) are defamatory of the relevant Claimant at common law.
F: Legal Principles
(1) Natural and ordinary meaning, fact/opinion and defamatory at common law
(2) Identification/Reference
"The plaintiff must prove that the words of the article would convey a defamatory meaning concerning the plaintiff to a reasonable person possessed of knowledge of the extrinsic facts. This requirement postulates… not merely a reasonable person but also a reasonable conclusion. Mere conjecture is not enough.
Although Lord Donovan dissented, like the authors of the current edition of Duncan & Neill (5th edition, Butterworths, 2020) (§7.03), I consider this accurately to state the law.
"It would be anomalous that, if it were said falsely that a David Jones store was riddled with cockroaches, David Jones Pty Ltd could recover substantial damages in defamation (if it were the owner) but ACN 346 Pty Ltd could not (if it were the owner) absent evidence that a reader knew the obscure name of the corporate owner of the well-known business."
"… a corporation may be defamed and its business damaged even though the persons to whom the words are published have no idea of its formal legal name."
"Where the plaintiff is not named, the test which decides whether the words used refer to him is the question whether the words are such as would reasonably lead persons acquainted with the plaintiff to believe that he was the person referred to." (emphasis added)
"Not every statement likely to injure a person in his profession or trade is a statement about him. Thus, for a newspaper to observe in the course of a published report on the performance of a particular model of car that it was unsafe would be to make a statement likely to injure the distributors of the car in their business, yet it would not be a statement about the distributors and would therefore not defame them. Conversely, it could well be regarded as a statement about the manufacturer of the car, viz. that it produced an unsafe product likely to injure it in its business and therefore actionable by it."
"If the words complained of are alleged to disparage unnamed corporations in the way of their business, and the business is identified, then the test is as set out by the editors of Duncan & Neill on Defamation 3rd ed para 10.02:
'Where the publication relates to a business with a complex corporate structure care should be taken to bring the claim in the name of a company which (1) would be identified by reasonable readers as the subject of the allegations and (2) apt to suffer damage to its own trading reputation as a result of the publication.'
It is not necessary that a corporate claimant should prove that a publishee of words complained of knows its formal legal name…"
The words I have underlined are important. They should inform the exercise of selecting the correct corporate claimant from such a group structure.
"In my view, in the absence of any reference to Palace Films Pty Ltd by its full title (including the words Pty Ltd), it cannot be said that the matters complained of identify the first plaintiff without resort to knowledge of extrinsic facts. The reference to 'Palace Films' does not indicate that the entity referred to is a company. That is significant in the context that, as already explained, it is clear enough that the articles were concerned with the business in fact conducted by Palace Enterprises Pty Ltd trading as Palace Films. The fact that there existed a company carrying the name Palace Films Pty Ltd (which does not trade) brings the matter into the category of cases such as Lee -v- Wilson & MacKinnon (1934) 51 CLR 276 where an unintended target of the same name is reasonably understood as having been referred to. However, without the full corporate title, I accept that the first plaintiff was not named in terms."
"The issue is whether any reasonable viewer would understand the programme to reflect adversely on the reputation of any company or companies within the group; whether, in other words, the allegation was such as to refer to some corporate act or omission on the part of one or more companies, as opposed to merely reflecting upon the individuals identified: see e.g. Knuppfer -v- London Express Newspaper Ltd [1944] AC 116."
G: Submissions
"On the Defendants' case, they can publish a Broadcast which refers throughout to Dyson as a corporate entity and yet, because they have chosen not to name any particular Dyson company, cannot be the subject of a legal claim by any Dyson company. This is an obvious absurdity. It is common for substantial businesses to be known by a single 'brand name' whilst trading through a variety of different companies… If the Defendants were right it would be possible to publish defamatory falsehoods about any such business with impunity provided the publisher used only their general brand name without identifying any individual company. Such an obviously counter-intuitive result would require clear and unequivocal authority to support it. There is none."
i) An allegation that there has been abuse and exploitation of workers at ATA, one of the Dyson group's supplier companies located in Malaysia.
ii) An allegation that a worker at ATA had been persecuted following his blowing the whistle on practices at ATA.
iii) An allegation concerning the way in which Dyson behaved as against claimed standards of responsibility and ethics.
The point of controversy between the parties, he submits, is the gravity of the allegations as they concern the Claimants. The Claimants contend that the Broadcast suggests that they were "complicit" in the activities in ATA whereas the Defendants contend that it means only that they are "responsible" for them.
i) The Broadcast concerns matters which are alleged to have taken place in a supplier company, ATA, in Southeast Asia, principally in relation to operations at a factory in Malaysia.
ii) Concerns raised with Dyson about the working conditions at ATA are said to have been addressed by Dyson's "Global Director of Sustainability" [26].
iii) The Broadcast states that complaints were raised, by "labour rights activist" Andy Hall, about the "squalid accommodation and workers living in fear" which led ultimately to an investigation by the US Customs & Border Protection [24]-[25].
iv) As part of the Broadcast, Michelle Shi appears as the spokesperson for Dyson. Ms Shi is introduced as Dyson's Global Manufacturing and Procurement Director in Singapore [56]. It would have been apparent to viewers that Ms Shi was speaking from Singapore as Mr Frei thanks her for staying up until 3am to speak on the programme.
v) Ms Shi, as spokesperson, would have appeared to viewers to be speaking on behalf of the company that had terminated the contract with ATA as a result of concerns about its working practices (see e.g. the use of "we" in [59], [63], [68], [70], [72] and [74]). She also states that she had been leading the response for the "global supply chain for Dyson" [63].
vi) There is reference to a legal claim that is being brought by 14 individuals, including Mr Limbu, represented by Leigh Day, accusing "the company" of negligence [45]. The Broadcast does not state in which jurisdiction the claim is being brought, nor does it identify the company being sued, but in the initial introduction it is said to relate to a "series of labour abuses and exploitation at a supplier in Malaysia that makes [Dyson's] vacuum cleaners" [4].
vii) Reference is made to the involvement of the Royal Malaysia police, which emphasises the alleged wrongdoing is in Malaysia.
H: Decision
(1) Reference
i) The allegations centre on ATA, a Malaysian company that manufactures Dyson-brand vacuum cleaners and filters. The allegations in the programmes are neatly crystallised in the introduction. Employees of ATA "suffer abuse, inhuman working conditions and in one case even torture" and are paid £9 per day [3].
ii) Dyson is an internationally recognised brand, trading globally, but the experience of the workforce of ATA stands in contrast to the image that Dyson likes to promote.
iii) The key target is the Dyson company that has the agreement with, and therefore oversight of, ATA. It is a matter of dispute between the parties as to the gravity of the allegation, but it ranges from actual knowledge of what was happening at ATA, to a failure to realise/properly investigate. On this point, the complaints by Mr Hall – and the way they were responded to, including by Tom Crawford, described as "Dyson's Global Director of Sustainability" – are a strong indicator of the Dyson company that is being identified as the target of the Broadcast's allegations, at least as it concerns Dyson (see [23]-[26]).
iv) Potentially, there is a further Dyson company targeted in the Broadcast. In [27]-[28] claims are made as to a response from Dyson's "PR operation". This is the subject of the Claimants' third meaning, alleging that this "PR operation" tried to "cover up [the allegations] and shut down public criticism". The "PR operation" may have been carried out by the same company as is alleged to have failed properly to investigate what was going on in ATA, but it could be a different company.
v) Mr Frei's interview with Ms Shi concentrates on the allegations of abuse of workers by ATA. As Mr Wolanski KC argued, the repeated use of the word "we", would tend to indicate to viewers that Ms Shi was speaking on behalf of whichever company had the commercial arrangement with ATA, an arrangement she emphasised had been "terminated" by Dyson [57]. Again, that is a clear pointer to the viewer that it is the Dyson company that had the contract that is the target of the criticism. Mr Frei's questions then centre on why it took so long for Dyson to discover that there was a problem at ATA [58]. He then repeats demands that Dyson should release the independent report that led Dyson to terminate its contract with ATA [62]-[68] before concluding the interview by putting it to Ms Shi that Dyson was paying workers £9 per day to produce its products that could be on sale for up to £500 [71]-[74]. The interview, critically, does not deal with the allegations of a "cover up" by the "PR operation".
(2) The First Claimant
Appendix – Agreed transcript of the Broadcast
[News Introduction]
[1] Dyson, genius at cleaning carpets, now workers in one of their supplier companies claim that they were abused and mistreated. How did it happen? Can Dyson clean up its own image?
[2] Good evening. Dyson's slogan is the "vacuum that doesn't lose suction" but has this iconic British brand lost credibility, following the alleged treatment of its workers by ATA, a Malaysian company that helped make Dyson's high-end vacuum cleaners and air filters.
[3] Tonight, in an exclusive report, we speak to ex-employees of ATA, who suffered abuse, inhuman work conditions, and in one case, even torture, while they were helping to make Dyson products on wages of £9 a day. Dyson has now severed links with ATA and denies any wrongdoing, but how could work conditions have got so bad, and why wasn't it picked up?
[The Broadcast moves to a different topic. Then continues with Dyson]
[4] It is one of Britain's most iconic companies but tonight Dyson is facing claims of appalling abuse and exploitation in the factories in Malaysia where its cordless vacuums and other appliances are made. 14 workers who were employed on its production line have started legal action against the company alleging forced labour, squalid accommodation, excessive hours and intimidation by management. Tonight, we hear from one worker who claims that he was tortured by police after blowing the whistle, claims that Dyson says it knows about and immediately acted on.
[5] Dyson emphatically denies any wrongdoing and says it has terminated its contract with that supplier.
[6] We'll be hearing from them live but first, here's Darshna Soni with this exclusive report.
[Voiceover]
[7] Ingenious and innovative, that's the image Dyson likes to project to its customers. Famed for ground-breaking designs of vacuums and air purifiers. Dyson is a household name globally and a flagship company in Britain.
[Broadcast shows footage of the First Claimant in a Dyson "demo" store, where he speaks to the camera and says "here we are in a Dyson demo store where you can try out our technology"].
[8] Founded by inventor, Sir James Dyson, one of Britain's richest men. Sir James controversially moved much of Dyson's production from the UK to South East Asia 20 years ago, reducing costs and maximising profits.
[Clips of Dyson Employees with a voiceover from the First Claimant saying: "We do the research and development. We put huge amounts of money into it, and it has a long-term payback."]
[9] But behind the professional image Dyson likes to portray, there's a dark side to its supply chain, with claims of exploitation, intimidation and even torture.
[Footage of Mr Limbu with English subtitles]
[10] He would stop and then start beating again. I felt so scared.
[Darshna Soni]
[11] Tonight, we can reveal that more than a dozen workers are taking legal action against Dyson, claiming a series of labour abuses and exploitation at a supplier in Malaysia that makes its vacuum cleaners.
[Video clip apparently showing ATA workers fleeing from a factory]
[12] There are claims of unlawful working conditions, of false imprisonment, of squalid living conditions. Workers who did speak out have told us they were threatened by the supplier and even tortured by the police.
[Oliver Holland, Partner at Leigh Day]
[13] Dyson depicts itself as a very responsible company and ethical, so they should have known what was happening.
[Voiceover]
[14] Johor Bahru, a modern Malaysian city with high-tech industry at the heart of its economy. It's home to ATA IMS, one of South-east Asia's leading electronics companies.
[15] Dyson is by far its biggest customer. It churns out millions of products and components each year for the technology giant, ranging from cyclone bagless vacuum cleaners to air purifier fans. The majority of the workforce on these production lines are migrant workers, from poorer Asian countries, mostly Bangladesh and Nepal. Many paid hefty recruitment fees to get their jobs.
[16] Dhan Kumar Limbu travelled from Nepal to Malaysia ten years ago. He worked in quality control at ATA Industrial, part of the ATA IMS empire.
[Mr Limbu, speaking to camera with English subtitles]
[17] When I was working at ATA Industrial, I mostly worked on Dyson products.
[Voiceover]
[18] Workers at ATA earn a basic wage of just £9 per day. But payslips revealed some staff clocking up to 135 hours of overtime, in excess of the maximum allowed under Malaysian law.
[Mr Limbu, speaking to camera with English subtitles]
[19] I worked 12 hours a day, 7 days a week, 30 days a month. This led to immense pressure and sleep deprivation. After that my body would tire out.
[Voiceover]
[20] Living conditions for migrant workers in Malaysia are also infamously tough.
[Footage apparently from a worker's mobile phone showing accommodation with blue floor]
[21] Footage and photographs we've seen from last spring show some ATA workers crammed into one dormitory with up to 65 people. This video was verified by 4 witnesses who spoke to Channel 4 News. It's alleged many didn't have valid visas to work in Malaysia and feared deportation.
[Footage apparently from a worker's mobile phone showing workers climbing down onto crates and who appear to be fleeing]
[22] This footage, not independently verified, was posted online by an ATA worker. It purportedly shows illegal workers in 2019 fleeing an ATA Industrial factory in blind panic when inspectors arrived.
[Audible snippets from mobile phone footage translated with subtitles – "It's not the police. Those men are from Dyson. It's not the police"]
[Darshna Soni]
[23] We've seen emails and documents revealing that Dyson was warned about the conditions at ATA Industrial as early as November 2019.
[24] A labour rights activist named Andy Hall wrote to the company, alleging forced working conditions. He followed this up on numerous occasions yet was told by Dyson that the claims were factually incorrect.
[25] Last year Mr Hall followed up with further detailed information, alleging squalid accommodation and workers living in fear. The allegations were so serious that an investigation was launched by US Customs and Border Protection.
[Voiceover]
[26] On the 30th April last year, Dyson's Global Director of Sustainability, Tom Crawford responded to Andy Hall – "We treat matters of supply chain worker welfare, including ethical recruitment, living conditions and health and safety with the utmost importance. Thank you for highlighting these matters, which we are following up" [with caption of quote].
[27] But just weeks later, when details of the conditions at ATA Industrial were reported by the Sunday Mirror, Dyson's PR operation went into overdrive [Copy of the Sunday Mirror article front page]. The company told media it did not recognise the allegations [Caption: "We do not recognise the allegations"] and there was no evidence [Caption: "no evidence"], insisting the report gave an inaccurate impression of conditions in Dyson's supply chain. [Caption: "inaccurate impression of conditions in Dyson's supply chain"]
[28] Dyson issued a notice to the media, calling the report false and defamatory and subject to a legal complaint. The Sunday Mirror later published a partial correction. [Caption: "false and defamatory and subject to a legal complaint"].
[Darshna Soni]
[29] Dyson told us it did investigate Mr Hall's claims promptly. Between November 2019 and June last year, they conducted five audits of ATA, but none of them identified any significant issues that couldn't be remedied quickly. They also stated that the overcrowded hostel in the video was not on the list of accommodation provided to them by ATA, and so, wasn't inspected by auditors.
[Voiceover]
[30] Meanwhile in Malaysia, ATA began to hunt for the whistle-blowers. Mr Limbu was under suspicion. After his phone was seized during a shift, he found an unexpected visitor waiting for him at his hostel.
[Mr Limbu]
[31] A car was parked up ahead. My manager was in the driver's seat. He opened the door and I got inside.
[Reconstruction footage shown]
[32] I was sure I was being taken to the police station. I left it to destiny and stayed quiet.
[Voiceover]
[33] At the police station, Mr Limbu claims he was interrogated by a plain clothes officer, who asked for details about his links to labour rights activists, insisting he must have been paid to provide information about the factory.
[Mr Limbu]
[34] They started beating me with books and kicking me where I was sitting.
I said that I did not do it for money but they kept on insisting that I did. Saying, "Why would you leak such big information?"
[Voiceover]
[35] Mr Limbu says he was then taken into a smaller room, by the same police officer.
[Mr Limbu]
[36] Then he questioned me again and started beating me. When I screamed in pain, he stood on my knees. Then he hit me on the soles of my feet with a [rubber] pipe. He would stop and then start beating again. I kept thinking, "How long will they keep me in jail, beating me like this?". I felt so scared.
[Voiceover]
[37] Despite the alleged beatings, Mr Limbu says he refused to sign a confession, he claims police then called ATA Industrial's Chief Operating Officer, Balachandran Govindasamy (or "Bala") to come to the station.
[Mr Limbu]
[38] He threatened to put me in jail for life and then he said I should help them. If I support them and give a statement, he would take me out of jail.
[Voiceover]
[39] Mr Limbu says under duress he signed a statement that he received 4,000 Ringgit, about £700, from labour rights activists to leak information about the ATA factory, only then was he allowed to return to his hostel. The next day, Mr Limbu says he was given new instructions by Bala, to feed misleading information back to the labour rights activists, presenting ATA in a positive light.
[Mr Limbu]
[40] He said, "You have to let me know what they ask you and I will tell you how to answer them".
[Voiceover]
[41] A month later, Mr Limbu fled Malaysia without his passport. He only made it home with help from the Nepalese embassy.
[42] ATA did confirm that they took Mr Limbu to the police station but deny he was beaten. They say they engaged a law firm to investigate his allegations and found them unjustified and unsubstantiated and unlikely to have taken place. ATA say claims against Balachandran Govindasamy and other managers are preposterous.
[43] The Royal Malaysia police didn't comment but Dyson also interviewed Mr Limbu and refunded his flight home. They told us his story was one of the reasons they cancelled their contract with ATA.
[Darshna Soni]
[44] Dhan Kumar Limbu isn't the only worker who's made allegations of mistreatment against ATA Industrial. We've spoken to a number of others who've told us about the appalling conditions in hostels, about excessive hours, intimidation and violence.
[Voiceover]
[45] Mr Limbu and 13 others are now being represented by the lawyers, Leigh Day, who intend to file a claim against Dyson in court accusing the company of negligence.
[Oliver Holland, Partner at Leigh Day]
[46] Our clients allege that they work under conditions of forced labour, in unsanitary and crowded accommodation and they lived under the constant threat of punishment and persecution by the factory management if they didn't adhere to what they wanted them to do.
[47] Dyson depicts itself as a very responsible company and ethical, but, when allegations are put to them, they then tend to try and shut that down instead of taking the responsible approach and trying to improve conditions.
[Darshna Soni]
[48] Dyson categorically deny that they failed to act responsibly or covered
anything up. They insist that they only obtained concrete evidence of serious problems at ATA when they commissioned their final audit, which was delivered in October last year.
[Voiceover]
[49] We asked to see that report, but Dyson declined. They told us it substantiated some of Andy Hall's claims. It found ATA was employing irregular workers, some had had their passports and documents retained. It also found ATA hadn't reimbursed some worker recruitment fees and there were concerns about excessive hours.
[Mr Limbu]
[50] The things I had to go through in Malaysia, the police beating, has left me mentally unwell. I had to take a loan to come back to Nepal. I am looking for some relief from these things. So I am starting a legal battle against them.
[Voiceover]
[51] ATA is now in the centre of a storm. After losing its biggest customer, its share price plummeted 80% and it's been charged with violating the country's labour laws on living conditions.
[52] In a statement, ATA told us they're committed to ethical business practices. The company denied its workers were subject to intimidation, that they retained workers' passports or employed illegal workers. They say they abide by pay and working hour regulations although, a few managers have allowed their workers to work beyond the hours allowed.
[Caption: ATA Statement: "...a few managers have allowed their workers to work beyond the hours allowed."]
[53] They told us worker accommodation met the required standards.
[Caption: ATA Statement: "...worker accommodation met the required standards."]
[54] The company is confident that with the range of improvement actions taken, it is compliant with all regulations and standards.
[Caption: ATA Statement: "The Company is confident that with the range of improvement actions taken, it is compliant with all regulations and standards."]
[Promotional Footage of the First Claimant in store.]
[55] Meanwhile, Dyson is now facing legal action. Britain's favourite vacuum maker left having to clean up its reputation.
[Interview with Michelle Shi]
[Matt Frei]
[56] Darshna Soni with that exclusive report. Well I'm now joined by Michelle Shi who is Global Manufacturing and Procurement Director at Dyson in Singapore. Thank you very much for coming on the programme and I appreciate you staying up until 3 in the morning to answer these questions, and they are serious questions. So, let me start with this; Dyson is a company that Brits are incredibly proud of, how on earth did it get to this?
[Michelle Shi]
[57] Firstly, thank you for having me tonight Matt, what we have seen and what your viewers have seen are serious and are concerning, however they don't represent what Dyson stands for. Dyson has high standards in our corporate social responsibilities and we stand behind that and I think in your own report you talked about the audits that we have done and the proactive actions we've taken with the ATA Industries as well and that should be clear [interrupted by news reader]... we did terminate our contract.
[Matt Frei]
[58] But it took you a long time? I mean... the audits... Sorry to interrupt but you've had... you started the audits in November 19 and they went on until last year but it's only in June of 21 (so 18 months later) that you discovered there was a problem, I mean what took you so long? These are really serious allegations. How come your audits of which there were 5, at the beginning, didn't pick any of this up?
[Michelle Shi]
[59] Well, two years between 2019 and 2020, the 6 audits we did, two were internal and 4 were by internationally recognised audit bodies and every finding in the audit reports we proactively drove improvement with ATA Industries, and it's only when ATA Industries were not making those improvements at a timely manner that we wanted, we terminated their contract, we made the ultimate sanction to actually terminate the contract.
[Matt Frei]
[60] Right but...
[Michelle Shi]
[61] And it's a great question, Matt...two years.
[Matt Frei]
[62] You only terminated the contract in November of last year. It took you two years to take that decision when the allegations were mounting up, so... and we know about this independent report, the big one that was done at the end, that's the one that led you to sever ties, why on earth won't you release the results of that report, the full report on the table – we've asked you repeatedly and you've said no.
[Michelle Shi]
[63] Well two years, I myself who lead this global supply chain for Dyson and my teams, have been working through the improvements, and driving the improvements with ATA Industry, and it's a very simple reason why we continuously to proactively work with them, they are thousands of workers in ATA's factory Matt, [interrupted by presenter] if we simply just say, go... [interrupted by presenter]...
[Matt Frei]
[64] OK, but why not release the report? Where's the report? Release the report!
[Michelle Shi]
[65] Well the report, we have the report and Dyson works on the report... [interrupted by presenter]... and that is why we took the actions, so that is...
[Matt Frei]
[66] Yeah, and we'd like to see it.
[67] Okay but we'd like to see the report in the interest of public disclosure – you want to clean up your image, there are very serious allegations made against you, it took you a long time to, you know after 5 audits to actually get to the one that finally severed relations with ATA, why not just release the whole thing?
[Michelle Shi]
[68] Well, the welfare of the workers, are our uttermost important priority, and that is why we've been working with them, working on the actions rather than just run away from the problem, we address the problems other people ignore and that's the right thing to do Matt and that is the responsibility we took.
[Matt Frei]
[69] Michelle, if the work, the welfare of the workers is your uttermost priority, as you say, don't they deserve some compensation?
[Michelle Shi]
[70] Well, Matt, that, the legal matter I cannot comment but we stand behind our corporate social responsibilities and we have worked proactively with ATA to drive these actions, and we now have taken the ultimate sanction on ATA as well.
[Matt Frei]
[71] Right. The average Dyson vacuum cleaner, I checked online, is between, I don't know 180 quid and £500, top of the range, you're paying your workers, you were paying your workers at ATA £9 a day to produce this product. £9 a day. They worked a 6-day week before they worked a 7-day week, I mean how is that humane frankly?
[Michelle Shi]
[72] Well, our products are the result of the technologies and the innovation we put into our products, and we very much are a global company and we are in the global supply chain, and we very much want to be competitive in every market we are in, and in every market, not only just Malaysia, but everywhere in the world...[interrupted by presenter]... we want to be competitive...
[Matt Frei]
[73] But you paid your workers a pittance. You paid your workers a pittance, and 14 of these workers are now taking you to court over misconduct and abuse. That is hardly looking after the welfare of your workers, is it?
[Michelle Shi]
[74] Well, I can't comment on the legal matter, but absolutely not Matt, we have not taken the advantage of the workers, we stand behind our standards, we've worked proactively, we take action, we recognise our responsibility, and we are doing that, we were doing that and we're going to continue to be doing that because the ethical supply chain for Dyson is what we stand for and that is also what we're going to continue to work on for the benefit of the people there.
[Matt Frei]
[75] Okay, Michelle Shi, thank you very much indeed.