FAMILY DIVISION
Sitting in the Family Court at Port Talbot Justice Centre
Strand, London, WC2A 2LL |
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B e f o r e :
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Powys County Council |
Applicant |
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AB (1) -and- BB (2) -and- CB, DB and EB (3, 4, 5) (through the Children's Guardian) -and- AC (6) |
Respondents |
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James Tillyard KC and Lucy Leader (instructed by Goldstones Solicitors) for the 1st Respondent mother
2nd Respondent father not attending the hearing
Susan Jenkins (instructed by Legal Services for Children) for the 3rd, 4th and 5th Respondents
Joanna Wood (instructed by Peter Lynn and Partners) for the 6th Respondent father
Hearing dates: 19-23 February 2024, 26 February-1 March 2024, 5-8 March 2024
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Mrs Justice Morgan:
Evidence
i) Dr ZA, EB's lead treating consultant
ii) ZB, specialist epilepsy nurse
iii) ZC, specialist epilepsy nurse
iv) ZD, Speech and Language Therapist
v) ZE, senior paediatric nurse
vi) Dr ZF, Consultant paediatric Neurologist
vii) ZG, Social worker
viii) DC ZH, the investigating officer
ix) ZI, social worker
x) ZJ, worker from the school/nursery
xi) Dr Curran consultant Paediatric neurologist
xii) Dr Robinson consultant paediatrician
xiii) ZK, maternal grandmother
xiv) ZL, Epilepsy Wales outreach worker
xv) AB, the mother of the children
AB said that EB's seizures are not her biggest concerns as that is under control. She said she is concerns about her stopping breathing and SUDEP. She said that they reduced her medication in the summer and that's when the sleepy episodes started and they thought it was the epilepsy making her sleepy. Since she started having the sleepy episodes, she began to get apnoea and choking episodes. There is no pattern to the sleepy episodes.
I explained to AB that I needed to inform both the fathers and AB asked why. I explained that if they have parental responsibility, I have a legal duty to inform them. AB said that EB's father isn't on the birth certificate and CB and DB's dad, BB, doesn't have PR because they went to Court and it was diminished in Court. I explained that we would have to see the order.
'the possibility that after 24.01.23 EB grew out of her epilepsy is … unlikely. The severity of symptoms described but not corroborated prior to this included complex generalised seizures, falls, tremors, lethargy and choking. It is unlikely that all these naturally resolved'
'The child has gone to the hospital and M has been given a diagnosis. The doctor tries and explain to child what is wrong, You try to reassure the child that everything is alright, that the epilepsy is well controlled, at least reassuring the child to the best of your ability.
My experience and common thinking is that to place child in sick role is different. The child comes to believe that they are unwell. It is to do that but to then constantly reaffirm you are unwell, constantly go on about the fits you are having.
Harm is done if it is unnecessary, even if child is v ill, we always reassure a child in clinic, would be very wrong to tell child you are very sick you may need more treatment.'
Discussion and Conclusions
The Helmet
Exaggeration of seizures
Communications with professionals
It looks like EB has lost her safe swallow and is aspirating and that
Salt has said she may need NG/PEG moving forward as doesn't feel safe diet alone is going to work
Sick role and Medicalised