FAMILY DIVISION
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Re C (Lay Advocates) (No.2) SECRETARY STATE FOR JUSTICE |
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A LOCAL AUTHORITY |
1st Respondent |
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2nd Respondent |
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C (A Child Represented through his Children's Guardian) |
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Miss L Summers (instructed by Local Authority) for the 1st Respondent
Mr O Wraight (instructed by Kundert Solicitors) for the 2nd Respondent
Mr J Lee (instructed by Askews Legal LLP) for the 3rd Respondent
Mr J Turner (instructed by Brethertons LLP) for the 4th Respondent
Hearing dates: 12th June 2020
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The Hon Mr Justice Keehan :
Introduction
"22. In my judgment that there is no material difference between the services provided by an interpreter, an intermediary or a lay advocate insofar as they each enable and support parties and witnesses to communicate and understand these proceedings. HMCTS routinely pay for the services of interpreters and intermediaries, I cannot see any principled reason why it should not also pay for the services of lay advocates in an appropriate case.
23. Accordingly, I had enquires made of the relevant Court Service budget holder who agreed to fund the reasonable costs of a lay advocate for both parents.
24. Accordingly, I will appoint a lay advocate for the mother and a lay advocate for the father. They cost £30 per hour which I consider to be entirely reasonable. I have assessed the likely number of hours of work on this for the lay advocates to be 50 hours.
Further, I will make an order that HMCTS will pay for the costs of a lay advocate for the mother and for the father."
The Application
i) "In September [2019] we received an order [made by HHJ Watson] requiring the attendance of a representative [of the LAA] at the next court hearing if prior authority wasn't granted for a lay advocate….Rather than attending, we wrote to the court explaining the LAA's position (that we weren't clear what a lay advocate was, but that it didn't appear to form legal representation) and that we wouldn't be attending";ii) "If there is any further work conducted by the lay advocates in assisting communication between the solicitors and client outside of the court, they should make a new application for prior authority, explaining fully what the role of the lay advocate is and why it is necessary for them to be instructed in the circumstances here….";
iii) "Communication between a client and their legal advisor outside of the courtroom is a matter for the legal advisor. Funding in relation to this is covered by the contract between the LAA and the legal provider. Under the contract the cost of a communication professional that is required outside of the court room can be claimed, if justified and reasonable on the specific facts of the case, although legal aid providers, the nature of their work are likely to be used to communicating with vulnerable clients."; and
iv) "where clients are required to attend professional meetings for example with the Local Authority, these do not form part of a client's legal representation and cannot be funded as civil services under LASPO".
"The first point to be grappled with is the role of the proposed 'lay advocate'. Neither the LAA nor the SSJ are entirely clear, the term 'lay advocate' usually being used to describe a non-legally qualified individual who may represent an otherwise unrepresented party – in some contexts called a 'McKenzie Friend'. [The] SSJ understands that the proposal to be that an individual with experience dealing with persons with learning difficulties is made available to the mother and father both during Court proceedings to help explain what is going on, and at all meetings with the solicitor to help explain advice given and pass instructions. They would also meet with the mother and father to reinforce what they have been told by their solicitors and what they have heard at Court.
In respect of proceedings in Court, it therefore appears that their role is, in fact, largely the same as someone who would usually be described as an 'intermediary', although their role is broader than merely acting as such for the purposes of cross-examination (for which an intermediary is most commonly used).
Outside of Court, in meetings with the solicitor, it appears their role is to ensure advice is understood and instructions given.
As indicated by Keehan J in his judgment, the role therefore appears analogous to that of an interpreter, who will also act as intermediary in relation to cross-examination. It is highlighted that, as a matter of practice (and SSJ would submit, as a matter of law), it is the role of HMCTS to fund a translator for a party whilst they are at court. It is the role of the LAA to fund a translator out of court."
i) a lay advocate does not provide legal services;ii) a lay advocate is not a McKenzie Friend;
iii) a lay advocate is not an intermediary (albeit an individual may be qualified to act as an intermediary and as a lay advocate);
iv) the term 'lay advocate', for the purposes of this judgment, means a person who is qualified and/or has experience of assisting and supporting a party in proceedings who has an intellectual impairment or learning difficulties which compromises their ability to process and comprehend information given to them. The function of the lay advocate is to ensure that the party does understand the information provided and is able to respond to the same and thereby, is enabled to participate effectively in the proceedings. This assistance and support will be required both in court during the proceedings and out of court for the purposes of taking instructions and preparing the party's case for the court proceedings.
Discussions
i) payment for lay advocates at hearings is a matter for HMCTS; andii) payment for lay advocates to assist with communication between the client and their solicitor out of court is, in cases benefitting from legal representation funded by civil legal aid, a matter for the LAA subject to the LAA being satisfied that it is a justifiable and reasonable disbursement in the course of the legal representation provided.
i) HMCTS would pay the costs of the lay advocates to date in the sums of £448 in respect of mother's lay advocate and £887.90 in respect of the father's lay advocate; andii) The LAA, applying the test as to whether a disbursement is justifiable and reasonable, would consider any further applications for the funding of lay advocates in this case that the solicitors of the 2nd and 3rd Respondent should choose to make (on the basis that an application for prior authority is appropriate where the disbursement being sought is unusual in its nature) to assist with communication between the client and their solicitors out of court.
Conclusion