FAMILY DIVISION
IN THE MATTER OF THE CHILDREN ACT 1989
AND IN THE MATTER OF A CHILD
Strand London, WC2A 2LL |
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B e f o r e :
(In Public)
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K W | Applicant | |
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S T | Respondent |
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MR NICHOLAS WILLIAMSON appeared on behalf of the respondent mother.
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MR JUSTICE HOLMAN:
"I turn, then, to the mother's evidence. Her evidence is set out first in a statement to the police in which she sets out the words that the child said to her, which I have already referred to, but I will do so again so that they are clearly recorded. The conversation was, 'Every time you go to your father's, you have diarrhoea and your bumby is sore.' That was said as the mother was changing her nappy. The response was, 'It's not my fault, it's my father's fault,' followed by the question, 'Does your father do something to you?' [I interpose. I use the word 'father' but it may be that the mother herself and the child using a more informal word such as 'dad' or 'daddy'.]The child answers 'Yes, my father gives me a sore bumby.' The mother asks, 'What do you mean, he gives you a sore bumby?' and the answer is, 'He puts his finger up my bumby.' That was repeated back to her because the mother says she was shocked, by saying 'He puts his finger up your bumby?' And then the answer is, 'Does it all the time' or 'Does it lots' and then 'My bumby hurts' and she is asked, 'Is it hurting?' and she answers, 'My bumby bleeds.'"
"Those questions you can address to an expert, which is very useful in court cases like this, giving expert opinion. I am a professional witness. This is a huge difference. I can only state what I saw during examination…"
"It is right to say that within that conversation there is a leading question; that is 'Does your father do something to you?'"
"The disclosure was made following what might have been a negative comment about the father, 'You always come back from his contact with diarrhoea,' but that does very much depend on the tone of voice and I have no evidence of it. There is an element of leading in that discussion, but it is a limited element."
"I treat the failure to make the disclosures in the ABE interview neutrally; we do not have the best evidence we might have had, but I have to make my decision on what I do have. The absence of an ABE interview does not of itself mean that the allegation is not true."
"So then I consider the question of the child's understanding. What did she actually mean? How much understanding did she have? Could it have been a misunderstanding?"
"So, the third possibility I must consider is that it is an injury inflicted by the father, either accidentally or deliberately. I have to take into account when considering that the forensic findings which are clear and maintained throughout …"
"The critical fact is that at the time a child who has no understanding of what she is saying, no malice, no reason to be able to show malice, makes a significant disclosure about her father putting his finger in her bumby and at that same time a forensic examination shows that she has injuries typical of child sexual abuse, albeit without full penetration."
"I am satisfied that it is more likely than not that the father inflicted the injury in the vagina, that he poked his finger up her bumby or bottom. There was no full vaginal penetration in accordance with the medical evidence from Dr B. I am not satisfied that it has been shown that it is more likely than not that it happened more than once, still less lots of times. This is the only reported occasion. The assertion is made spontaneously to the mother initially, but subsequently it is in answer to leading questions."
"No one has challenged the actual findings that Dr B made, namely the abrasions close to the anus and the three small lacerations around the vagina, and I accept that she made those findings …"
"The father accepts the medical findings of the doctor; he accepts that they were found, he does not accept the cause for them. He was not able to offer any suggestion of an impact or an accidental cause …"
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