CHANCERY DIVISION
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B e f o r e :
Sitting as a Judge of the High Court
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JEAN-CLAUDE PIERRE FERDINAND GUNTHER ANDRE JANE ANDRE |
Claimants |
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CLYDESDALE BANK PLC |
Defendant |
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Angharad Start and Tom De Vecchi (Instructed by Addleshaw Goddard LLP) appeared on behalf of the Defendant
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1. Introduction.
2. The trial.
3. The evidence and my assessment of the witnesses.
4. The chronology of events.
5. The contents of the trunk; and
6. Issues of quantum.
But I should make it clear, and also emphasise, at the outset that although this judgment is structured in this way for clarity of exposition, the contents of each separate chapter have informed the contents of the judgment as a whole.
Chapter 1: Introduction
Chapter 2: The trial
Chapter 3: The evidence and my assessment of the witnesses
"Indubitably ... It's purely an option which I wouldn't have you be unmindful of, but of course it does cut both ways."
"There are some things one remembers even though they may never have happened. There are things I remember which may never have happened but as I recall them so they take place."
"Further to our meeting at the bank yesterday, having looked through the trunk with you, I can confirm that the silver items are all present in the trunk, although, as discussed, they had been unpacked and undisturbed."
"The album was very full of stamps from around the world, including Austria, Bayern, England and France, dating from around the mid-19th century."
"... it would have taken me much, much too long and would have been impossible to sort of go through the mental process of bringing those pictures back in my mind, you know, photographic type of memory. And this was done in haste. This was, okay, what is the most important, and I knew at that stage that I may or may not have -- well, I had more to list, but it was most important to give an idea -- well, more than an idea; a guidance to both the bank and the police that we were dealing with something which was terribly, terribly, terribly important."
"... these were terribly, terribly, terribly important ... because these were the most valuable stamps in the world."
Mr Andre said:
"That's correct."
I then went on:
"It looks there as though, at that time, you can't remember whether there were three or four or five letters."
Mr Andre answered:
"No, that is because -- yes, I did remember, but you know, being -- being cautious and being -- state down, put down on paper what I remembered was more important than sort of going to the details, which I've done -- which I did later on. I wanted to have, you know -- this is not something that could have been dealt with, obviously, in one page, like I did. It was something that needed much, much more work. But the important part of this action was to give something now so that everybody knows what we are dealing with, rather than the complete detailed list of everything. I mean, you can -- you can see, in there I give absolutely no detail of -- how can I explain that?"
"This is like a bomb to read."
"Well, if I read it, I obviously did not understand it, because to my understanding it was classified as a theft ..."
"I couldn't put a date on it. I would say ten, twelve years ago. I'm not sure."
"I don't know."
"I can't remember, I'm assuming she was."
"I should just mention that I have noted that early in her evidence Mrs Shivas twice referred to Mr and Mrs Andre as being there on that day."
"To me they always came as a pair, but, you know, I couldn't swear that she was there that first day."
Chapter 4: The chronology of events
"This receipt should be carefully preserved and produced if redelivery of an item is desired. Items are held at the depositor's own risk and if of value should be insured."
"Received from Clydesdale Bank plc the above-mentioned items", and nothing apparently appears.
"In addition to this, we have two trunks which are held in your vaults and we would like to come and remove these from you. Can you please let me know how much notice you need in order to do this."
"Whilst writing this letter, I will also take this opportunity to enquire about various items that you had stored in the Victoria branch on behalf of my husband, JC Andre. Can you please let me know where these are being stored now."
"We refer to your enquiry regarding your items in safe custody and advise that they are all now stored at these premises at 35 Regent Street. If we can be of any further assistance do not hesitate to contact us and may we apologise for the delay in replying to your letter."
"Well, it was still in safe custody, and it was at the new branch ...
"There's no concern then that my items were not in safe custody. I thought it was strange -- I don't -- I was not concerned that it was being -- that it had been -- it was still in safe custody in Regent Street."
"As long as it was being -- it was safe in the bank, it was done."
"Canny schoolboys may still have the edge upon retiring baby boomers rediscovering childhood hobbies as philatelists."
"Janie read the article out loud to both our son Francois and me and also showed it to me. As soon as I saw the picture of the Treskilling Yellow stamp I immediately recognised it and turned to Janie and said, 'My God, we've got those in the bank'. Janie asked me whether I was sure and I said that I was. I specifically remembered unsuccessfully searching for them in various stamp catalogues at the time. This was the first indication I had ever had that the Treskilling Yellow stamps were a considerable rarity and of very high value. Janie and I were naturally both amazed and excited. I was jubilant and suddenly understood why the entry in the Michel catalogue did not attribute a price to Treskilling Yellow stamps. Until now, it was not known that more than one such stamp existed."
"On Thursday, 16th, I was asked to go down to the basement to locate a large chest belonging to Mr Andre so that when he visited the branch we would know exactly where it was. I was already dealing with another safe custody item so checked it whilst I attended to that. I was accompanied by Marcus to look for the items and upon checking we found the chest in the walkway through the safe. It was not locked inside a cage. On that occasion, I did not notice if there was a lock of any kind on the chest. I was only looking for the object and the name on it.Ten days later, on Thursday, 25th, I was informed that Mr Andre was in the branch to look through his chest so went down again with Marcus to fetch it. When we brought it upstairs we instructed the customer to take a seat in one of the interview rooms. We then placed the chest on top of the desk. Marcus then left the room and it was at this time that the customer asked where the padlock had gone.
I explained to the customer that the chest was in the same state as when we found it in the safe but he was adamant a lock did exist because he said Clydesdale Bank would not allow him to place the item into its safe without one."
"Lisa Gray requested that myself and Glen Gavin (GG) on or around 16 March to check to see if a trunk was in the safe deposit area. The trunk in question was located in a non-caged area in the right-hand passage after entering the safe area. The only check completed on the box was to confirm that it belonged to Mr Andre as per a screen print that was attached to the top. We did not examine the box. However, it was rather shabby and dirty.On 25 March, we were requested, myself and GG, to go back to the safe deposit area to retrieve the box. The box had brown tape surrounding the edge which had partly dropped away. There was no locked padlock present on the outside and the trunk lock appeared to be open so I pushed it back towards the locked position. The box was rather tatty and dirty and difficult to manoeuvre.
We took the box to an interview room where it was placed on a table in front of the customer. After a period of ten to fifteen seconds I then left the room. I was not aware of the customer's concerns until GG advised me of this after five to ten minutes."
"Customer requested access to a trunk held in safe custody. Customer claims trunk was locked with a padlock which is no longer attached to trunk and trunk shows evidence of external damage. Customer now claims that the trunk has been accessed in his absence and a number of valuable stamps are missing. Customer made the discovery at Piccadilly branch on Thursday, 25th [and then inexplicably it says 'November'] at approximately midday."
In relation to potential loss, it is said:
"Unknown at this time, although customer states that a similar stamp recently sold for in excess of $2 million and a minimum of ten such stamps are missing from one box within the trunk and a number of other stamps are missing from albums also contained within the trunk.Mr Andre has advised me by phone this afternoon that his insurance company has advised him to report the matter to the police and he planned to do so.
Detected by customer Mr Andre in the presence of member of staff Glenn Gavin."
"Unknown. Trunk was originally held in safe custody at Victoria branch and transferred to Piccadilly branch on closure of Victoria in June 1997. Mr Andre closed his account some time ago but did not remove his trunk. There is no note of the trunk in the Victoria branch safe custody register and Mr Andre cannot supply a receipt. No fees have been collected from Mr Andre for the storage of the trunk and Mr Andre has never requested access to the trunk since it was transferred to Piccadilly.It would now appear that when the new safe custody procedures demanded that all items already held had to be reviewed, bagged in the new plastic sacks and customers advised of the charges which were to be applied, that items held in the Piccadilly basement safe custody area were not included. There are a great many items currently stored in this area and a review should be undertaken as soon as possible."
(4.40 pm)
Friday, 1 February 2013
(10.00 am)
Chapter 5: The contents of the trunk
(1) it is possible that another Yellow Treskilling stamp may have been printed and may have survived; but (2) there is no evidence available to the court to assist it in concluding that that is the case; and (3) the chances of nine further examples existing in the same location, having been sent to the same person by (on Mr Andre's evidence) one other person are, as a matter of common sense, infinitesimally small, as was acknowledged by the experts.
"At paragraph 29 of your report, you say that in this case Mr Andre's covers with the Yellow Treskillings have never come to market. Assuming that these covers disappeared before March 2004 or at about that time, how surprising is it in your opinion as a leading stamp auctioneer that these stamps have not come to market?
"Answer: Very surprising. Honestly speaking very surprising.
The judge:
"Why do you say that?
"Answer: I mean, if they existed, if they were stolen or I don't know what the alleged issue is, but if they were in somebody's hands you would presumably wish to sell them at some stage and I would have thought that would happen within a period of a few years from when they had been, and there have been so many years since it seems rather unusual that we haven't heard about them.
The judge:
"Would you expect them, if they had been offered, to have come to your notice?
"Answer: Yes."
"Are there persons other than you and reputable stamp-dealers that such a person might go to shift them?
"Answer: I've never been asked that question before, and my immediate reaction would be to say 'no', but some items do come on the market in I would say possibly deceptive ways, but there is no recognised black market and we don't -- I don't know of any specific people who deal as such in a black market."
"It's very difficult to answer because if somebody who doesn't know anything about the Treskilling Yellow now had found them and had no idea that they were rare or exceptional or a printing error, I don't think -- in my profession I very often meet people who -- they don't see anything that they can't -- they see a stamp and they think it is something and they can't -- they can't."
"They don't appreciate that it may be a forgery or something else that they -- something different from what they might have expected."
"I don't think people see anything."
"The fact is that there are many people in the world of heritage chattels, cultural objects, who know enough about things to steal them and to know what to steal, but they don't know enough to know that they are then not disposable of afterwards. This happens frequently, for example, with stolen paintings. Sometimes people steal things because they think they might be insured and that there might be an insurance reward or something like that. So the mere fact that these things haven't turned up does not necessarily mean that they were not stolen. They may not have turned up because no reward has been offered, for example, or because of other reasons. It may be that someone has taken them to a less reputable dealer, a less reputable dealer has decided not to handle them because it's too dangerous because they must have been stolen, but at the same time that dealer is not necessarily going to go and do what that dealer should do, which is to tell the police. A person like that will simply not want to get involved.So the reason why, for example, Mr Arnrup may not have heard about it is that anyone who has heard about it has quite a substantial interest in keeping silent about it. That's simply the point I would make."
"Well, he said he knew nothing about the illicit market and that is, no doubt, to his credit."
1. The lapse of time between the indeterminate period of time which passed between Mr Andre last considering the covers (which on his evidence was earlier than the act of placing them in the trunk in December 1986) and March 2004.
2. Mr Andre's varying, and discrepant, accounts of the constitution of the covers.
Chapter 6: Issues of quantum
"On behalf of my husband, JC Andre."
(11.00 am)