CHANCERY DIVISION
INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY
COMMUNITY TRADE MARK COURT
Fetter Lane London EC4A 1NL |
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B e f o r e :
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(1) INTERFLORA INC | ||
(a company incorporated under the laws of | ||
the State of Michigan, United States of America) | ||
(2) INTERFLORA BRITISH UNIT | Claimants | |
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(1) MARKS AND SPENCER PLC | ||
(2) FLOWERS DIRECT ONLINE LIMITED | Defendants |
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GEOFFREY HOBBS QC and EMMA HIMSWORTH QC (Instructed by Messrs Osborne Clarke, One London Wall, London EC2Y 5EB) appeared on behalf of the First Defendant
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Wednesday, 20th June 2012
MR JUSTICE ARNOLD:
"4 Survey evidence
4.1 neither party has permission to adduce survey evidence without first obtaining the leave of the Court. Any application for such leave is to include details of any questions proposed to be used in any such survey and details of the method and procedures proposed to be adopted in relation to the conduct thereof
4.2 any application for leave under paragraph 4.1 shall be made no later than 27 April 2012."
"5. It is common for parties to actions such as this to seek to introduce survey evidence, and that evidence is invariably expensive and time-consuming, and quite often not particularly probative because of the manner in which it was conducted, or the questions asked, or both. Accordingly the courts have, as a matter of practice, required leave to be sought before such evidence is adduced. As Arden LJ said in E-Sure Insurance v Direct Line Insurance [2009] IP & T 706:
'Secondly, consumer surveys are costly to produce. They can, moreover, sometimes be based on the wrong questions and thus produce irrelevant or unhelpful responses or for some other reason, as in this case, be of no evidential value. There is much to be said for the practice initiated by the late Pumfrey J (as he then was) in O2 Ltd v Hutchison 3G UK Ltd [2004] EWHC 2571 (Ch)… and subsequently followed by Rimer J in UK Channel Management Ltd v E! Entertainment Television In [2008] FST 120. Under this practice, case management directions are given at an interim stage requiring the parties to seek the directions of the court as to the scope or methodology of any proposed consumer survey that the parties may desire to put in evidence at trial. Those directions can then be given in advance of the trial …' (para. 63).
6. This was adopted by Rimer LJ at para. 78, where he went on to say:
'I would only add that even where the practice has been followed, so that the questions and methodology are settled with the agreement of the court in advance, it may be that things will go wrong. Experience of polls shows that they can be conducted in a slipshod manner, so one would need to examine the detail. And even the unexpected can happen – a question which one thought in advance was clear, may turn out not to have been so when the polls has been conducted. And a question which one thought was non-leading, may turn out to be so or to have caused the pollees to speculate in a way which they would not have done but for the question itself.'
7. The justification for the practice was elaborated in Rimer J's decision in UK Channel Management where he said:
'The reason is … because such evidence does not simply put before the court the spontaneous reaction of members of the public who have been exposed to … [a party's] advertising material in actual use or the defendant's allegedly offending advertisement in actual use; it is evidence obtained as a result of the artificial application to members of the public of stimuli directed at provoking reactions and responses. The reason for Pumfrey J's earlier direction was to ensure that their reactions and responses were provoked by appropriate questions.'
8. In the case before me, as will appear, it is necessary to bear in mind the juridical basis of what it is that the court is doing when exercising its control. In my view it is doing (at least) the following:
i) So far as a party is going to seek to put expert evidence before the court, the court is exercising its power to control the amount and nature of expert evidence in order to make sure the expert evidence is proper evidence, admissible, and proportionate.
ii) So far as a party seeks to put in the actual answers to questions, the court is ensuring the evidence is admissible and probative.
iii) So far as the court is controlling the calling of live witnesses obtained as a result of some form of survey evidence (so-called witness collection exercises) it is again ensuring that the evidence is admissible and probative. In particular, it is acting to prevent a party seeking to call a witness whose evidence is going to be tainted to an unacceptable degree by the mechanism under which it is collected (an inappropriate question).
iv) In so doing, the court is ensuring that costs are not wasted and are proportionate. It is wrong for costs to be wasted in conducting hopeless surveys, for the other party to have to waste costs dealing with that evidence, and for court time to be wasted in dealing with it at trial.
v) When a court is acting in this capacity it must bear in mind that it is acting at some remove from the trial. If it disallows a survey it is concluding, short of a trial, that evidence which one party wishes to adduce should not be allowed in because it will be of no or insufficient value. In embarking on that exercise it must acknowledge that there will be cases in which it is not wholly clear that the evidence in question will be valueless. In those circumstances the right course may be not to bar the evidence or survey at the interim stage, but to allow it and to have more informed argument at the trial (or conceivably at another interim stage, provided that that is a cost-effective way of going about the matter).
9. The points raised in paragraph 8 above can be demonstrated from what actually happened in the UK Channel Management case itself before Lewison J [2007] EWHC 2339 Civ. There were 3 surveys. The first was an 'omnibus' survey, which was not directly focussed on the marks in question but was commissioned by many clients. The actual questions and answers were not going to be available to be put in evidence (see para. 7 of the judgment), and it was going to require an expert to interpret the survey. In relation to this survey the court was invoking its jurisdiction to control expert evidence. The survey was intended to prove 'acquired distinctiveness', of which there was apparently rather better evidence (para. 7). Lewison J came to the conclusion:
'In my judgment the omnibus survey is of such little value that it is not worth the time and effort that would be expended in considering it. I therefore rule that the omnibus survey is not to be adduced in evidence.'
It was therefore ruled out as being insufficiently probative in the circumstances.
10. The second survey ('Malivoire 1') suffered from a 'thoroughly misleading question', which 'got the survey off on the wrong foot' (para. 11). Rimer J had previously ordered that the questions being put to the public be disclosed to the defendant and that the defendant inform the claimants whether it agreed with the appropriateness of the question or not, and it seems that the survey had been completed, without the benefit of a further court ruling, by the time of the hearing before Lewison J. He ruled that the survey was not admissible in evidence, because of the misleading questions. He also excluded the possibility of live (or perhaps written) witness evidence coming from it because:
'the witnesses produced as a result of a misleading survey are likely to give misleading and tainted evidence through no fault of their own' (para. 12)
11. The court was therefore ruling in advance that the evidence would be inadmissible as being of no probative value, and that the court could determine the question at that stage even in advance of seeing the actual evidence that the witness was going to give.
12. The third survey ('Malivoire 2') was apparently more balanced and there was less objection to it (see para. 14). Lewison J was sceptical about its value but did not feel confident enough that it 'proves nothing' and did not rule it out; he left it to the trial judge. That illustrates my proposition (v) above.
13. The court must, however, be alive to the dangers of the pre-trial assessment exercise, in that the permission hearings themselves may give rise to another raft of costs in what is already likely to be a costly exercise. The case before me is a case in point. The application before me was one direct to the judge (it was not an appeal from the Master). There was a leader on one side, and a leader and junior on the other. The two leaders gave me estimates of the costs involved in the CMC so far as they related to the survey evidence point (the CMC raised other points which are not dealt with in this judgment). The claimants' costs were estimated at about £30,000; the defendant put its costs of the exercise (including the correspondence between the parties debating the various issues) at between £20,000 and £30,000. A cost-saving exercise which incurs so much cost must be handled with care. It must not be allowed to become a significant cost-generator in its own right. There will be a danger of this happening if the court is asked to micro-manage an intended survey.
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26. I remind myself of the nature of this exercise. It is not to settle the terms of some sort of joint survey. It is not to produce a survey which the defendant finds acceptable. And it is not to rule at this stage on the force and effect of apparently subtly crafted questions, divorced from answers and on an interim hearing. The first and main task is, in my view, to give the court an opportunity to prevent a survey going forward when it can be seen at this stage, with sufficient clarity, that it will produce results which will not help, will not be relevant and/or will not be probative or sufficiently probative to make considering it worthwhile. The results may be of various kinds. They may be results which are presented by an expert who analyses them and presents conclusions. They may be results presented by putting forward the results of the survey as a whole and inviting the admission of the answers under the Civil Evidence Act. The survey may enable the surveying party to call individual witnesses to give live evidence, or separate statements of evidence under the Civil Evidence Act. In each case the court will have to consider what the result may be, and if it is sufficiently clear that it will not be useful or probative, or perhaps that the effort will be disproportionate to the benefit achieved, then the evidence will not be allowed. If the evidence has the potential to be useful, and its real significance cannot be determined at the interim stage, then by and large the party applying should be allowed to have the survey it wants. Of course, the procedure provides an opportunity for the opposing party, and indeed the court, to contribute, and an appropriately humble applicant should be prepared to acknowledge that some of the objections are good ones and modify the surveys accordingly. But at the end of the day if the applicant wishes to stick with a particular form of survey, then the real question is whether it can be demonstrated sufficiently clearly to be flawed, misleading, insufficiently probative, or disproportionate (or some combination of those all four)."
"I understand that my role as an expert witness in these proceedings is to assist the court in making its determination and my paramount duty is to the court. I have complied with and will comply with that duty."
As that statement correctly recognises, Mr Philips' evidence is expert evidence. Not surprisingly, Interflora felt obliged to respond in kind. Furthermore, Marks and Spencer has also served a third witness statement of Theodoris Savvides of Osborne Clarke, Marks & Spencer's solicitors, which sets out a number of what are to my mind at this stage of the proceedings relatively minor objections regarding the conduct of the survey. That evidence reveals that Marks & Spencer's solicitors have engaged in an exercise of re-transcribing all of the answers given by the survey respondents from the questionnaires. That will inevitably have been a costly exercise. While it may be justified for the purposes of a trial, I do not consider it appropriate on an application of this nature. It is precisely the kind of exercise that Mann J in A&E indicated should not be undertaken at this stage of the proceedings.
"One theoretical possibility, in a case like the present, would be for a party to call such of the 1200 respondents to the Roy Morgan survey as were contactable. This course would have the advantage of providing a fairly selected group of witnesses, subject to any distortion which might be caused by difficulties in locating respondents. But it would add enormously to the cost and duration of a trial. The second possibility would be for a party to call evidence from a lesser number of selected witnesses. This course was taken in Ritz. The plaintiff there called 152 members of the public. The majority of these witnesses were stopped in a public place by a representative of the plaintiff and questioned as to the significance to them of the word 'Ritz'. It seems that those who gave answers favourable to the plaintiff's case were asked to give evidence. Those who did not, were not. As a result, the evidence of these persons was of negligible value. All that it established was that, with the expenditure of sufficient effort and money, 152 people could be found somewhere in Australia who claimed to associate the word 'Ritz' with the plaintiff. The 152 witnesses were not a fair sample of the general public; so that, as McLelland J noted (NSWLR at 215) there was 'no ground in the evidence for any extrapolation on a statistical basis, or on the basis of any mathematical or logical probability, of the views of the 'public' witnesses (or any selection from them) as representing the views of the relevant class of the Australian public or a significant section of that class'. The plaintiff was not even willing to reveal the total number of persons interviewed; for all the judge knew, the persons who associated the word 'Ritz' with the plaintiff may have been a tiny minority. The tender of such partisanly selected evidence was an absurdity."
"Thinking specifically about this search result (points to Marks & Spencer result), what, if anything, do you think this tells you about any relationship between Interflora and Marks & Spencer."
Counsel for Marks & Spencer submits that that is a leading question. He argues that it invites the respondent to consider a possibility of a relationship between the two companies, whether or not the existence of such a relationship had ever occurred to the respondent previously or not.
"Thinking specifically about this search result (points to Marks & Spencer result), is there anything that tells you it is not related to Interflora?"
Counsel for Marks & Spencer submits that that form of question is even more grossly leading than question six in survey one. Furthermore, he submits that the negative emphasis in the phrasing of the question is such as to imply, contrary to the fact, that a connection between Marks & Spencer and Interflora does exist. Accordingly, he submits that that question is even more objectionable than question six in survey one. To that, counsel for Interflora makes essentially the same answer as before.