CHANCERY DIVISION
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In the Matter of T&N Limited and Others |
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In the Matter of the Insolvency Act 1986 |
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Simon Mortimore QC (instructed by Allen & Overy) for the Trustees of the T&N Retirement Benefits Scheme (1989)
Hugo Groves (instructed by John Pickering and Partners) for the UK Asbestos Claimants
Robin Dicker QC & Richard Fisher (instructed by Sidley Austin Brown and Wood) for the Plan Proponents
Richard Sheldon QC (instructed by Lovells) for the Official Committee of Asbestos Creditors
Hearing dates: 6 and 7 December 2004
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Mr Justice David Richards :
"The Plan Proponents hope that the proposed communication will lead to the determination of an issue which will be useful in both insolvencies (albeit for different reasons) in circumstances where the courts are agreed that the issue is suitable for determination in a particular court. If a determination of the issue is made (in whole or in part) by either of the T&N Insolvency Courts, it should be recognised by both T&N Insolvency Courts as binding on the Parties as far as is possible and so far as relevant. For example, it must be objectionable that a determination by the US Court of an issue recognised by the English Court as being one of US law and which arises in the context of the administration process is a matter which either party should be able to continue to contest (whether before the English Court or within the administration process). The aggregate quantum of the US law governed Asbestos Claims is such an issue."
More specifically, the skeleton states that:
"The Plan Proponents believe that the most appropriate and economic allocation of tasks with respect to the estimation of the Asbestos Claims against the UK Debtors is for the US Court to estimate the amount of asbestos claims of US claimants, and for the English Court to estimate the amount of asbestos claims of UK claimants, and for each Court to accept the determination of the other with respect thereto as far as is possible. In this way, both Courts will deal with matters governed by their own laws."
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"the Plan Proponents envisage that the immediate consequences of any determination by the US Court of the quantum of US law governed claims is that the Administrators should be directed to adopt such a determination for the purpose of assessing whether they will propose parallel schemes of arrangement and CVAs. By itself, this will undoubtedly be inconclusive. But the question of the amount of claims as a matter of US law should not be reconsidered."
"So where the parties have been unable to reach a consensual agreement, I believe that the intervention of a judicial officer can help them do that. And certainly it is important to proceed with the Plan's reorganization here to estimate the exposure of all these debtors to asbestos personal injury claims.
Now, whether I make all the determinations here that are appropriate in the US cases, whether I rely upon the English Court to decide some part of the issues as the Plan Proponents suggest, i.e. the extent of UK asbestos personal injury claims, is a matter that we can take up when we have the joint communication.
But in light of the central role that the estimate of US asbestos liabilities, or should I say the estimate of all personal injury asbestos liabilities plays in the concerns of all parties, it's important to do that if it can be done. So that it is useful, that the determination is useful on both sides of the Atlantic, it seems to me that makes sense to do that."
I do not in anyway underestimate the importance of the points made by Judge Lyons. However, for the reasons which I have tried to explain, I do not think that on this particular matter it would be right for me to enter into direct discussions at this stage.