QUEEN'S BENCH DIVISION
ADMINISTRATIVE COURT
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THE QUEEN ON THE APPLICATION OF SENIOR-MILNE |
Claimant |
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HER MAJESTY'S TREASURY |
Defendant |
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Mr Vinall (instructed by the Treasury Solicitor) appeared on behalf of the Defendant
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Mr Justice Haddon-Cave:
MR VINALL: My Lord, sorry to jump up again. The figure in relation to the costs of today should have had the (inaudible) changed.
MR JUSTICE HADDON-CAVE: Forgive me, no, I will correct that. It is £1,734.
MR VINALL: My Lord, yes and in relation to the – yes, that is all.
MR SENIOR-MILNE: Could I also make a point if he is allowed to make a point?
MR JUSTICE HADDON-CAVE: If it's in relation to costs.
MR SENIOR-MILNE: It is quite a short one. Dealing with the submissions made by the defence in relation to the substantive issue of the EU bailout you said just now they were necessarily involved? I am quoting your exact words.
MR VINALL: I don't dispute the quote, my Lord.
MR JUSTICE HADDON-CAVE: That's right.
MR SENIOR-MILNE: You said they were necessarily involved, so on paper, in my witness statement when I am explaining the judicial review process I quote a House of Lords case where Lord – I can't remember his name - he had actually said, he deals with the purpose of a judicial review application at the permission stage and he says the purpose of the permission stage is to decide "without going into the matter in any depth". In other words the House of Lords says you shall not go into the matter in any depth. Right? The defence just now has said that their arguments were necessarily involved, but the House of Lords contradicts him. They are not necessarily involved. You don't need to go into matters in any depth at the permission stage. OK?
MR JUSTICE HADDON-CAVE: Mr Senior-Milne, if I can interrupt you there. The costs related to the Acknowledgement of Service in relation to the proceedings which you brought against HM Treasury, and it was necessary for HM Treasury to respond in detail to your claim.
MR SENIOR-MILNE: That is wrong. You said it is not in detail. The House of Lords and this is binding on you, as a lower court, it says "without going into the matter in any depth". I mean how plain do I have to make it to you people?
MR JUSTICE HADDON-CAVE: I have already made my ruling in relation to the Acknowledgement of Service.
MR SENIOR-MILNE: I mean I know you have made it. I mean it's going to be appealed and it is going to go to the European Court of Human Rights and you are going to get your money anyway, so you are wasting your time. You are absolutely wrong. You are being vindictive. The House of Lords says "without going into the matter in any depth". It is binding on you, that is the law, ok? You say "in detail". He says "necessarily involved". You are both wrong. This is absolute falsehood. It is criminality. You are defrauding me. This is fraud by abuse of position, section 4 of the Theft Act, and I am going to bring a private prosecution against you for that. OK? On that basis. The House of Lords says "without going into the matter in any depth". They produced vast amounts of arguments and they knew they would get their costs back at a corrupt judge, which is exactly what has happened, ok? Black and white, you have lost the argument.
MR JUSTICE HADDON-CAVE: And we are now going to turn Mr Senior-Milne to the final matter which I presaged earlier, which is that I am minded subject to the submissions --
MR SENIOR-MILNE: I must advise you your conduct is criminal.
MR JUSTICE HADDON-CAVE: Please do not interrupt.
MR SENIOR-MILNE: Your conduct is criminal. This is fraud by abuse of position under section 4 of -- I think it's the Fraud Act.
MR JUSTICE HADDON-CAVE: I am now going to turn to the question of the extended civil restraint order, which I indicated, subject to any submissions you might now have to make, as to why making such an order is something that is not appropriate.