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QUEEN'S BENCH DIVISION
ADMINISTRATIVE COURT
Strand, London WC2 |
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B e f o r e :
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THE QUEEN ON THE APPLICATION OF | ||
"B" | ||
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ASHWORTH HOSPITAL AUTHORITY |
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of Smith Bernal Reporting Limited
190 Fleet Street, London EC4A 2HD
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(Official Shorthand Writers to the Court)
MR O THOROLD (instructed by Reid Minty, 14 Grosvenor Street, Mayfair, London, W1K 4PS) appeared on behalf of the defendant
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1. SIR RICHARD TUCKER: This is an application for judicial review following permission granted by Grigson J, who also made an order for anonymity. Therefore I shall refer to the claimant simply as "B".
"The consent of a patient shall not be required for any medical treatment given to him for the mental disorder from which he is suffering, not being treatment falling within section 57 or 58 above, if the treatment is given by or under the direction of the responsible medical officer."
"I do not dissent from the view that at least part of the purpose of classification in the original form of application, and the court order under section 37 is to show the basis for the detention and at least part of the purpose is to identify the mental disorder for which compulsory treatment is needed (albeit the treatment aspect was not much pursued before the judge)."
MR THOROLD: My Lord, I would apply for costs.
SIR RICHARD TUCKER: There is not much hope of recovering them. First of all, B is a patient in a mental hospital. He is, no doubt, in receipt of public funding.
MR SOUTHEY: He is, my Lord. I was going to raise the issue of the Legal Services Commission assessment.
MR THOROLD: My Lord, there is a form of order which the court certainly do make which is that whilst this would not be enforced without the order of the court in the usual way, nonetheless there should be set-off should this patient obtain any damages, for example, against the hospital in the future.
SIR RICHARD TUCKER: It is all very speculative.
MR THOROLD: It is speculative, my Lord, I appreciate that. If I have not persuaded --
SIR RICHARD TUCKER: Yes, in theory, you are entitled to an order, but in practice you will never get anything out of it. I will see what Mr Southey says.
MR SOUTHEY: In my submission it is too speculative to make appropriate for an order to be made. In my submission quite regularly in publicly funded cases the order of the court is no order for costs other than an assessment for the purposes of the Legal Services Commission. In this case, in particular where the claimant is clearly a long term patient in mental health services, and although he is making progress he is unlikely to be released in the foreseeable future, in my submission it would be inappropriate to make such an order.
SIR RICHARD TUCKER: Are there any outstanding claims for damages?
MR SOUTHEY: Not as far as I am aware, no.
SIR RICHARD TUCKER: He does not do the football pools, I take it.
MR SOUTHEY: I suspect not. I am told not, my instructing solicitor knows that.
SIR RICHARD TUCKER: It is quite right that the defendants are entitled to apply, but I think in this case it would be unrealistic to grant them an order. No order as to costs save an assessment of the claimant's public funding.
MR SOUTHEY: My Lord, can I raise the issue of leave to appeal. I know that the issue is in some ways a very straightforward issue, but it is equally an issue that at least has some merit in the sense that the Court of Appeal did not decide it as an obvious issue in the case of Hagan, and it is an issue of some importance in that clearly the scope of section 63 is a matter that not only affects this claimant but a number of claimants generally.
SIR RICHARD TUCKER: Am I not entitled to have regard to the background of this case and indeed the future, which, if this regime of treatment continues successfully, will result in your client being transferred to a more favourable institution to his benefit and, as I have said, ultimately that of the community. I am not keen to disturb that regime of treatment, nor to give you leave to appeal.
MR SOUTHEY: My Lord, I can understand your Lordship's concern, if I can put it that way. At the same time the test, in my submission, is, one, whether your Lordship thinks there is any realistic prospect of success on appeal --
SIR RICHARD TUCKER: That was what I was coming to.
MR SOUTHEY: My Lord, all I can say is the fact that Hagan left this issue unresolved means that there is some prospect of success, in my submission. If it had been clear one way then one might have expected the Court of Appeal to have (inaudible). The second issue is the importance of the issue. Although I accept from the claimant's point of view, given the fact he hopefully will move in the near future, it may become academic in the near future, at the same time it is a matter concerning the construction of section 63 which is, in my submission, of some significance.
SIR RICHARD TUCKER: What do you say, Mr Thorold?
MR THOROLD: My Lord, I say that the applicant had a vanishingly small prospect of success before your Lordship and that, in accordance with your Lordship's judgment, he failed by a wide margin before your Lordship and has no prospects on appeal at all.
SIR RICHARD TUCKER: I do not think there are any realistic prospects of success on an appeal, Mr Southey, but if you disagree you must seek to persuade a member of the Court of Appeal otherwise. Thank you very much.