CRIMINAL DIVISION
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MR JUSTICE LAVENDER
MRS JUSTICE ELLENBOGEN DBE
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MISS K BLUMGART appeared on behalf of the Crown
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"Are you sure that (1) He intentionally touched as she alleges; (2) Are you sure that the activity was sexual?; then (3) Are you sure that the defendant did not reasonably believe that she was over the age of 16?"
"So you would only find him guilty if you are sure that he intentionally touched her, that it was sexual touching, and that he did not reasonably believe that she was over the age of 16."
"Can we have a legal definition of reasonably?"
"Well, that is a question essentially for you and you do it on the facts, but it is not quite as simple as that because, as you know, to show that a defendant believed the age, the prosecution must prove that because of the circumstances and/or what he had seen or heard, the defendant realised that the only reasonable explanation was that her age was over 16 – 16 or over, I should say. In other words, you consider all the evidence. This includes, and forgive me, I am not intruding on your conclusions about the facts, but you might be assisted by looking at such steps as the defendant took to find out her age, the length of time they were in their company, the quality of their interaction remembering particularly Mr Kehdir's language barrier although he does speak some English and he told us he spoke to them, and the fact that they were constantly on phones and indeed sharing items on phones. Take into account such items as the defendants' own age, experience, length of time in the UK, the fact that each one has told us he is married and has children of his own, and each one has said there were commonly teenagers at their popular hangout at Ilford Station.
Now, the fact that the defendant gave evidence that he believed she, whichever girl it was, was 16 or over, is something for you to take into account as well, but the question is whether or not that was reasonable. You have to decide that question looking, as I say, at all the circumstances and they are examples essentially that I have given you."
"9 Sexual activity with a child
(1) A person aged 18 or over (A) commits an offence if—
(a) he intentionally touches another person (B),
(b) the touching is sexual, and
(c) either—
(i) B is under16 and A does not reasonably believe that B is 16 or over, or
(ii) B is under 13."
"In considering whether the prosecution have discharged this burden, the jury's task is not to consider whether the hypothetical reasonable man would have believed B to be 16 or over, but whether A may actually have believed that and, if so, whether the belief was reasonable. If they find that A may have believed B to be 16 or over, then in determining whether the belief was reasonable the jury should have regard to all the circumstances including what B told A about herself and B's appearance at the relevant time."
(The court then heard submissions about bail, and granted the appellant conditional bail.)