CRIMINAL DIVISION
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B e f o r e :
MR JUSTICE SIMON
MR JUSTICE COX DBE
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NICHOLAS MARRAY |
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Mr R Davies appeared on behalf of the Crown
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The admission of the transcripts.
The transcript of 1st February 2012
The transcript of 10th February 2012.
Transcript of 4 July.
The transcript of 17th August 2012.
Transcript of 8 August
"And finally, the other conversations of Mr Marray; you've heard telephone conversations between Mr Marray and a man on the 10th February who was said to be Mick Collins, another suspect in Operation Webber, who was in Thailand. The prosecution say that this conversation shows that Mr Marray was willing to give helpful advice to a suspected criminal to help him keep free of arrest. It demonstrates, they say, how Mr Marray was willing to act and that's how he acted in relation to Carl Stewart.
Mr Marray says that he was doing no more than setting out what position was, as he understood it, and nothing more. If that is, or may be true, then do not hold the conversation against Mr Marray at all. If you're sure it does show a willingness on the part of Mr Marray to help avoid people being caught then you can take into account as providing support for the prosecution in count two, but it is only a factor."
Then a little later on, the judge comes back to the point briefly at page 24, when he recounts the conversation, and says this:
"The prosecution say you can take that into account that Mr Marray is willing to go beyond where he should to help his clients to avoid arrest."
He puts the defence submission in that context, that there is nothing reprehensible about the conduct of Mr Marray in relation to that matter.
"When he was cross-examined on behalf of the prosecution, he was asked whether he thought he'd ever really crossed the line so to speak, gone beyond what a solicitor should do to their client. Mr Marray agreed that he had. He said that the mortgage fraud discussion and discussing with Mr Jones matters relating to other kinds cases; 'Those are things' he said, 'I am not proud of.' He said, 'They don't show me in a particular good light but I have properly represented people.'
For example, what about conversations about somebody who said he was an informant, he said, 'Yes that was mistake.'"
Then the appellant went on to say he had embellished the story about a particular individual being an informant but it was not true.