CRIMINAL DIVISION
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MR JUSTICE FOSKETT
HIS HONOUR JUDGE JACOBS
(Sitting as a Judge of the Court of Appeal Criminal Division)
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Mrs L Matthews appeared on behalf of the Crown
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"I am aware, and both parties agree, that competence is really the witness understanding what is being asked and whether the jury would understand the answers that would be given in answer to those questions.
I have to say that the questioning in relation to the police interview was faultless; there is no blame whatsoever attached the to questioner in this case. She did not have the benefit of the report by what would have been, and what is, the intermediary in this case but without it the officer did extremely well and brought out what was brought out in that case.
However, there are substantial difficulties in that interview and there are substantial difficulties, it seems to me, in the trial of a case in which KW would be a witness. I have to have in mind that there must be a situation where the defendant must be able to put his case. He has to put it in a way which is not just simply repeating the expressions that are given by the witness. There must be a real ability to challenge in a case such as this, and I am afraid I have come to the conclusion that the understanding and language difficulties of KW are not such that he could be a competent witness in a court of law, and, although indeed the special measures are designed to assist those in his unfortunate position, I am afraid he is in a situation where even that help is not going to deal with the difficulties that I foresee during the course of a trial with a jury who have to unravel, really, the difficulty that he has, this witness, of getting over the points and of dealing with the questions that are put to him.
Regrettably, I have come to the conclusion that he is not a competent witness."
"In the ordinary way that issue [of competence] should be determined before the witness is sworn, usually as a preliminary issue at the start of the trial. In cases such as this, the judge should watch the videotaped interview of the child witness and/or ask the child appropriate questions. The test of competence is clearly set out in the Act and it is as follows:
'(a) Can the witness understand questions put to him or her as a witness?
And (b) give answers which can be understood?'
Those are the plain words of section 53(1)(a) and (b) of the 1999 Act.
We agree with the submission put forward on behalf of the Crown by Mr Ward-Jackson in paragraph 7 of his written skeleton that the issue raised by paragraphs (a) and (b) of section 53(1) is one of understanding, that is to say: can the witness understand what is being asked and can the jury understand that witness's answers? That is precisely the test which the judge set himself i this case, and to which we have referred in the passage quoted from his ruling.
We also agree with Mr Ward-Jackson's submission that the words 'put to him as a witness' mean the equivalent of being 'asked of him in court.' So, it would be the case that an infant who can only communicate in baby language with its mother would not ordinarily be competent. But a young child like the witness in this case, who can speak and understand basic English with strangers would be competent."