ON APPEAL FROM THE HIGH COURT, FAMILY DIVISION,
PRINCIPAL REGISTRY
THE HONOURABLE MR JUSTICE HEDLEY
LOWER COURT NO. ME 09 C 00023
Strand, London, WC2A 2LL |
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B e f o r e :
LORD JUSTICE ETHERTON
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LORD JUSTICE SULLIVAN
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A MOTHER |
Appellant |
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A FATHER - and – A LOCAL AUTHORITY - and – 'A' A CHILD, BY HER CHILDREN'S GUARDIAN |
First Respondent Second Respondent Third Respondent |
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Miss Caroline Topping (instructed by Berry and Berry) appeared for the First Respondent.
Miss Alison Moore (instructed by its Legal and Democratic Services) appeared for the Second Respondent.
Mr Daniel Kingsley (instructed by Kingsfords) appeared for the Third Respondent.
Hearing date: 2 September 2009
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Lord Justice Wilson:
"It is extremely difficult to assess the repercussions and the impact on [A] or any other family members without direct interviews with individuals. The subject of adultery in Islam and within Muslim families is extremely complex and serious with enormous variations in belief and value systems. To do this based on reading of the papers alone would not be helpful to the Court at all and certainly not in the rights, interests or welfare of [A]."
(a) that, in that she had been entrusted with the task of also compiling a parenting assessment, she could conduct the risk assessment as part of it and could properly explain to the father and the mother's father the need to interview them on the basis that it was relevant to the parenting assessment; that she considered that, by talking to them about their beliefs, values and social and cultural attitudes, she could make a reasonable assessment of their likely reaction to disclosure without herself effecting that disclosure;(b) that the traditional approach of the community to issues of sexuality and of gender would be "total denial and I think if not worse than adultery", by which she seems to have meant that its likely reaction to such issues might be even more extreme than its reaction to a wife's adultery;
(c) that the life of the father until recently in Pakistan placed a particular question-mark against his likely reaction to the material;
(d) that it was as yet impossible for her to discount a significant risk of serious physical violence consequent against disclosure;
(e) that the mother's fears required serious consideration;
(f) that the risk of ostracisation of herself and of A was considerably higher than normal in the UK;
(g) that the court needed to know more about the family;
(h) that (by way of response to the judge's own question whether there was evidence that this particular family was of murderous or gravely violent propensity) there was no such evidence at the moment but that such evidence might emerge;
(i) that, in that the mother and the sister had already explained their fears, it would be much more important for her to interview the male members of the family than to interview its female members;
(j) that the risks to the sister and the aunt, as well as to the mother, had to be considered; and
(k) that there was "sufficient here to be concerned".
"Mrs Hossain gave oral evidence and said that she could not complete the risk assessment without speaking to the parties. In particular she needed to speak to [the mother's father] and the father (without of course disclosing the information) in order to be able to assess the magnitude of the risk and its capacity to be managed."
But, with great respect to the judge, the gist of Mrs Hossain's evidence was not that she was merely unable to complete her assessment without speaking to family members but that in her perception the circumstances of the case required her risk assessment to be completed; and that the fears expressed, namely that disclosure might lead to serious violence or, at least, to the ostracisation of the mother and of any child of hers, could not at that stage be discounted.
Lords Justices Etherton and Sullivan:
"In any case within the Pakistan Muslim community where sexual deviance is raised, or where outrageous sexual behaviour by a wife occurs, a real risk exists that death or really serious bodily harm is a likely consequence against which the court ought to guard and, where such behaviour is unknown to others, to sanction the withholding of such information even though it may be relevant to the issue of whether a child can or should be returned to the family."
"… I find myself quite unable to conclude, in the absence of evidence of a propensity for violence within the family, that the fact of belonging to this community means that in the context of this conduct of this mother a risk of the feared behaviour should be further investigated and that material, which is otherwise discloseable, should be further withheld. In my view that applies equally or greater force in connexion with issues of gender or sexual ambivalence and also applies even where these matters are considered altogether."
"2.8 It is extremely difficult to assess the repercussions and the impact on [A] or any other family members without direct interviews with individuals. The subject of adultery in Islam and within the Muslim families is extremely complex and serious with enormous variations in belief and value systems. To do this based on reading of the papers alone would not be helpful to the Court at all and certainly not in the rights, interests or welfare of the child Ameira Mahfooz."