COURT OF APPEAL (CIVIL DIVISION)
ON APPEAL FROM THE NEWPORT COUNTY COURT
(Her Honour Judge Case)
Strand London WC2 Tuesday, 21st May 2002 |
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B e f o r e :
LORD JUSTICE WALLER
and
LORD JUSTICE BUXTON
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F (a Child) |
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Mr A Levy QC (instructed by Messrs Sinclairs, Penarth, Vale of Glamorgan) appeared on behalf of the Respondent Mother.
Mr P Anthony (instructed by CAFCASS Legal Services) appeared on behalf of the Guardian ad Litem.
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"What I am suggesting is simply that that report, for what it is worth, is shown both to Dr Gay and Professor Maguire solely on the issue of what treatment, because Professor Maguire is talking about treatment, Dr Gay says he leaves that aspect, really, to Professor Maguire. As I say, I am not interested so much in the diagnosis that Dr Jamil makes but I am interested in what the plans are for appropriate treatment and she does seem to deal with that and gives a six months period. It seems to me that is information that I would like both the court experts to see and to consider."
"1.The father's application for residence be refused.
2.The father's application for direct contact with H be suspended for a period of 18 months from today.
3.In the event of an unsuccessful appeal the said period on the suspension shall be from the date of the determination of the appeal.
4.Reasonable indirect contact to continue."
"...has approached the health authority and complained at the lack of assistance that she is getting, and in my judgment, rightly so. Professor Maguire thought what she had received was wholly inadequate."
"He said after a preliminary period of treatment and therapy to help the mother work through the issue, it could be beneficial to introduce some very limited contact, providing there was no threat of escalating it."
"Dr Gay listened and considered Professor Maguire's suggestion of a tiny amount of contact, say an hour a month. However, I must consider not what is in the mother's interests, because that really was put forward as part of the mother's therapy. It was not so much for the benefit of [H] but to enable mother to complete the therapy. I have to consider what is in [H]'s interests in accordance with section 1 of the Act."
"Q.And if in the period between April 1998 and July 1999, mother was able to tolerate contact and indeed the parties were easing their relations so that tensions were subsiding, that is an important factor, is it not?
A.Yes. I mean, I thought there was an improvement in that period, too, in respect of the syndrome we're talking about.
Q.So it may be, Professor Maguire, that there would be assistance to be gained in terms of the improvement of mother's condition if we now went back to what the contact had been prior to July 1999? Would that be of assistance to her in your view?
A.Well, that's why I said earlier that I thought, along with Dr Gay's report, the limited contact would be of assistance."
"Q.Another matter you were asked about by Mr Anthony, if contact was restricted or even eliminated at this stage, you told Her Honour that it would be unlikely that she would ever be able to relinquish her fears was the word, or her feelings about Mr [F]?
A.I don't think she'd completely get rid of her symptoms.
Q.So it might be positively to her advantage to have a pattern of contact?
A.Yes, I think so, yes."
"... I think that's something that will need some sensitive fine-tuning and I would say probably [H] is the person to help that forward. I'd rather start with something which is harsh, practical and realistic and built up than perhaps start at what might be just the ideal and find that one has difficulties built into the system because of that."
"... I have had an experience once before, Mr Jenkins, of allowing you to cross-examine a delicate witness and it did not actually work to your advantage in the end, I seem to remember, because the witness was so upset she fled from the building."
"That is a completely different situation ----"
"It may or it may not be, all I know is that there was somebody there who was highly sensitive to serious cross-examination, which I know is your normal style because you are more familiar with a jury setting."
"... I am not saying you have not. I am sure you are absolutely right about that, but your technique for cross-examining witnesses in the family court is not my idea of how it should be done."
"If, in your most pessimistic scenario, it is not possible in this particular case for father to move forward, then one would probably have to recognise that one would accept that under those circumstances, and in a sense that's a contribution coming from him that it would not be possible to pursue the contact, but that's something that I would avoid at this stage, and I think it is so much more important from the child's point of view to try and concentrate on constructive ways forward."
"One hour once a month is probably not going to be realistic for [H], and will certainly exacerbate father's anger and frustration, which has been a feature throughout. In my judgement, it will lead to further intimidation of both mother and [H]."
"Q.If Her Honour were to make an order which allowed a very limited amount of contact I take it you would go along with it?
A.I am not going to turn down a chance to see my child, no, but I don't believe it would be beneficial to have like once a month a couple of hours. How can you build a relationship when the child has not seen you for a year in just once a month? I believe it would be more beneficial for mum in the long run if I was seeing her once a fortnight and giving her breathing space, giving her time to herself as well, and in coincidence with any treatment she's going to receive, as the doctor suggested yesterday.
Q.I can understand, Mr [F], why you are impatient, but ----
A.I am not impatient. It is just six years nearly, five and a half years. It is not impatience. It is just expectations which should happen after that amount of time."
"Whilst Professor Maguire's evidence is determinative of diagnosis, Dr Jamil gave evidence about treatment for the mother. She fundamentally disagreed about the idea of using trial contact before the mother had concluded her treatment. Of course, unlike Professor Maguire, she had sat and listened to the whole of the father's evidence and in assessing the appropriateness of such a course she was better placed. I am not prepared to subject [H] to any high-risk strategy."
"What did you understand was Professor Maguire's view?"
her answer was:
"He said that maybe some limited contact. He did not specify any more than that, just some limited contact. He gave me the impression as if he was thinking loudly, `Maybe some limited contact.' He did not firm his views, if you see what I mean, and then he sort of thanked me ----"
"You would not be suggesting that Professor Maguire's approach is necessarily the wrong one?"
she answered:
"No, no, no. I think -- I am not for a minute suggesting that."
"As I say, it is just when I see somebody, I would -- you get a feeling about what sort of things would work and what sort of things would not work with them. It is just a hunch on my part that this is going to fail."